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Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Jun8 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @02:50PM (#36097189)
IMHO, if you’ll be watching your first Tarkovsky film start with Stalker, which is how my girlfriend (now wife of 27 years), introduced me to him many years ago. I was very much a Fellini person, and the Bergman-Tarkovsky school seemed cryptic (at best) at the time. When finished, ask yourself (1) if you would have gone into the room and (2) what the dreamlike sequences with Stalker’s son meant.

Second one should be Solaris, if you’re into SciFi or The Mirror if you’re not of if you’d like a challenge. I think The Mirror is the better movie, the woman (stand in for T’s mom) looking at the wheat field (T had these specifically planted for the film!) haunts me to this day.

I personally couldn’t relate to The Sacrifice, perhaps his most personal film. His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not watch at all.

To be a genius artist like him in the Soviet Union meant privileges unheard for art film directors in Europe (let alone US), eg see the wheat field thing above. It also meant you’re at the mercy of the “masses”. I had read an article once that included a comment for The Mirror from a regular filmgoer, saying after 30mins it caused such a headache! The funding was based on such feedback and the movie was labeled as elitist (it is) which greatly impacted his career. It’s infuriating to think T lost time due to such petty interference (OTOH, I could only finish the film on my third try, falling asleep in first two attempts! So she had a point)

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:55PM (#36097664)
> my girlfriend (now wife of 27 years), introduced me to him

I like how some men have mercantile fears about their women, but they forget to fear that their girlfriend may alter their inner self. That obviously also cannot be undone.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by f6v on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:59PM (#36097697)
I don’t get what you’re talking about.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:05PM (#36097746)
You start dating someone, you become another person with different customs and passions. The more you invest in relation, the more is the difference, unless you had exactly the same prior background.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by weekendvampire on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:13PM (#36097829)
Yes, that is a good thing.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:33PM (#36098021)
Go watch Marvel then. Objectively good guys on display, always getting the bad ones.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by upsetdiscourse on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:44PM (#36098112)
Ok, tell us what you know about personal volition protectionism. I’m interested.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by coldtea on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:27PM (#36099027)
How some "alpha/sigma" male types think women are after/will get their money (I understand the parent to mean by "mercantile fears"), but they don't fear that they will affect their psyche/personality.

Which I find a little odd, as these types, do absolutely fear that a lot (e.g. their fear that women would effeminate them, or make them docile, or p...whip them, and so on).

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Sunday May 28, 2023 @02:53AM (#36101768)
Paradoxically, having relations with women will not effiminate one (etc) any more than NOT having these relations would.

For all what it is worth, incel community is strikingly peculiar in comparison to other males.

Truth is that we do really need each other.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Zardoz89 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:38PM (#36099557)
An embarrassment of riches y’all
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:16PM (#36097854)
>> Stalker’s son

Um, daughter.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Jun8 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:32PM (#36098551)
You’re absolutely right, called Martyshka (little monkey) same as in the book. As I was searching for material on her on Google I came across this interesting article: https://przekroj.pl/en/society/the-stalkers-daughter-renata-...
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by tinideiznaimnou on Sunday May 28, 2023 @05:16AM (#36102426)
I'm reaching the conclusion that the Russkies just have a decidedly non-Western idea of femininity; hell, they used to seclude upper-class women in something called terem until the 17th century. Makes me half suspect Russia is a crypto-matriarchy and behind the scenes things are run by Putin's mom

The Żuławskian "evil woman" (Szamanka, Possession) is just so much more interesting as a character, as well as in terms of what her character implies about the world that made her as she is, than the Tarkovskian "mother-martyr" (and her imago form, the "maiden-miracleworker"). One is an incomprehensible embodiment of the most tragic and poetic traits of the individual, the other a temporary personification of an impersonal Motherland; so, besides different attitudes to womanhood, they also demonstrate vastly different views of personhood and the role of the individual in the grand scheme of living nature. It could be an artifact of the respective authors' personal upbringings and experiences - but as the Writer in Stalker explicitly notes, an author only becomes influential by virtue of reflecting something essential about their audience (which in this case would be initially limited to the respective ethnolinguistic communities).

Now contrast with the overarching message of contemporary Netflix-and-children style cinema. Absolutely fascinating! And quite important too - though nearly impossible to discuss.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by dr_kiszonka on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:57PM (#36098242)
Stalker is a beautiful movie but perhaps not the easiest one to watch, especially if you are not used to 10 min long shots of nature (e.g., water in a stream). Possibly Solaris, which you recommend too, would be an easier movie to watch first.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by kamranjon on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:59PM (#36100066)
I've tried twice now to watch Solaris and fell asleep both times - someone let me know if it's worth it! I've seen every other Tarkovsky film and love his work, this one just felt particularly difficult for me.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by crazydoggers on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:18PM (#36100172)
You have to approach the movie like sitting down with a good book. Make a day around it! Brew some tea/coffee ahead of time, watch it when you are refreshed and can soak it in. And not just the plot.. but the art of what’s on the screen; how it’s shot. You’ll be rewarded in the end.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by the_oh_of_ples on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:02PM (#36100082)
It's worth it.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by emmelaich on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:05PM (#36100457)
I liked Solaris well enough, but in the end it was far less interesting than say the better Star Trek episodes.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by tleilaxu on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:06PM (#36100462)
When I rewatch Solaris I always skip the first 30 minutes or so (the part on Earth). Makes it a much easier and less slow watch!
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by joemi on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:11PM (#36100488)
The first time I watched it, I fell asleep part way through and woke up at the end. But then I decided I really wanted to watch it, so I immediately restarted it and and stayed awake and LOVED it. I think it's worth it.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by MattPalmer1086 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @05:14AM (#36102411)
Same. Definitely worth watching.

You have to allow yourself to be immersed in it. It's a slower pace than commercial film makers adopt, but the atmosphere builds.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by tleilaxu on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:22PM (#36100553)
The Mirror is one of my favourite films but I always fall asleep 2-3 times while watching it!

I find it so relaxing that I’ve just learnt to enjoy the whole experience and enjoy the dozing as part of the experience of watching the film.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by grugagag on Sunday May 28, 2023 @12:37AM (#36101175)
Perhaps the dreamy effect is inducing a magic like experience as if we as a viewer are seeing through a dream
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by rafalages on Sunday May 28, 2023 @07:11AM (#36103023)
Great to hear that, I'll plan to watch it on those nights that I need to sleep but my brain keep having the best idea ever
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by gyrovagueGeist on Sunday May 28, 2023 @01:00AM (#36101289)
The book is excellent, but I also find that both adaptations drag a bit and can be a boring watch.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by biztos on Sunday May 28, 2023 @09:45AM (#36103955)
You could — at the risk of being burned at the stake by purists — try the other one [0] which is faster paced but touches on the same ideas. Then if you’re really intrigued by that, go back to the original.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(2002_film)

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by dr_kiszonka on Sunday May 28, 2023 @04:52PM (#36107682)
I found the 2002 Solaris very moving and would recommend it to others. (And, in case there has been some burning at the stake, I am up-voting your comment.)
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by nagonago on Sunday May 28, 2023 @08:50PM (#36109367)
I had to split it up into three viewing sessions, but I thought it was worth it.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Borrible on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:29AM (#36122089)
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters.

Or mimoids.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by canjobear on Saturday May 27, 2023 @11:34PM (#36100913)
Instead of 10 minute long nature shots, Solaris has a 10 minute long car ride on Tokyo freeways
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by rurban on Sunday May 28, 2023 @03:58AM (#36102066)
It's Moskow, not Tokyo!
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by wozer on Sunday May 28, 2023 @04:57AM (#36102317)
It was filmed in Tokyo, but is possibly supposed to depict a futuristic Moscow.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by biztos on Sunday May 28, 2023 @09:41AM (#36103914)
That is one of my favorite scenes ever, and I think of it whenever I’m in a big freeway system or tunnel.

But yeah probably not easy if you’re not already fairly deep into art-house films.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by 35997279 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @11:12AM (#36104699)
It’s only five minutes.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Popeyes on Sunday May 28, 2023 @08:15PM (#36109133)
Stalker is what happens when Russians remake The Wizard of Oz.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by coldtea on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:25PM (#36099006)
>His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not watch at all.

Those also require a familiarity and understanding of the relevant culture of those places.

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by PyWoody on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:06PM (#36099317)
> ...eg see the wheat field thing above

Not the same but it made me think of Akira Kurosawa spends 12 hours on a single shot...only to cut it[0]

[0]https://old.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/pamqsd/akira_kur...

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by tomcam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:42PM (#36099589)
As a modern American, I confess I start to go to sleep after the first 6 or 8 hours of shots like that
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by jefurii on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:31PM (#36132610)
FWIW Kurosawa's Dersu Uzala is also available for download: https://youtu.be/sFaL03SKEzE
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by kodt on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:58PM (#36100063)
Andrei Rublev is by far his best film in my opinion.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by rwmj on Sunday May 28, 2023 @12:59PM (#36105779)
The version on youtube is 20.48GiB(!) so I hope it's the best possible quality.

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Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by myth_drannon on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:41PM (#36100650)
The wind in the field scene is mesmerizing, one of my favourites as well.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by 0xr0kk3r on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:57PM (#36100748)
Same here. That was the gateway film for me. It reminds me of the Southern Reach Trilogy (Annihilation, Authority, Acceptance).
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by Sharlin on Sunday May 28, 2023 @05:51AM (#36102594)
Annihilation is pretty clearly "heavily influenced" by Stalker.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by dclowd9901 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @12:54AM (#36101260)
I consider myself a person who really loves and appreciates film, but I could not parse Stalker. It’s clearly dense with meaning and subtext, but I think I had too much going on in my head when I was watching it to appreciate what was going on.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by omazurov on Sunday May 28, 2023 @01:02AM (#36101301)
My personal recommendation for a Tarkovsky's first is his diploma film The Steamroller and the Violin (1960, 46 min, co-written with Andrei Konchalovsky). It was surprisingly watchable [for me] and I wish I had watched it first myself before I was exposed to the Mirror when I was 16.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steamroller_and_the_Violin

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by jwilk on Sunday May 28, 2023 @04:50AM (#36102279)
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by the_gipsy on Sunday May 28, 2023 @01:58AM (#36101565)
> (1) if you would have gone into the room and (2) what the dreamlike sequences with Stalker’s son meant

(3) did the stalker / Tarkovski just bring you to the room

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by virgulino on Sunday May 28, 2023 @03:57AM (#36102062)
>To be a genius artist like him in the Soviet Union meant privileges unheard for art film directors in Europe (let alone US), eg see the wheat field thing above. It also meant you’re at the mercy of the “masses”.

It also meant being at the mercy and whims of the Communist party. Like Polish genius director Andrzej Żuławski, who filmed almost his entire magnum opus "On the Silver Globe," only to have the Communist government cancel the project and order the destruction of what was filmed.

The greatest science fiction movie never made. I get goosebumps every single time I watch these trailers:

https://youtu.be/zBFRiSlcBAg

https://youtu.be/HFf5BGNpnJ0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Silver_Globe_(film)

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by tinideiznaimnou on Sunday May 28, 2023 @04:49AM (#36102268)
Żuławski is amazing! He manages to strike the right balance between abstraction and action; between soulful Slavic opaqueness and, well, viewers wanting to understand what's happening on the screen without having to read the characters' minds through an inverted Christology or some such implied cultural context.

Żuławski's movies contain enough mystery to thrill the imagination, yet it is crystal clear that they are telling a particular story, with an intended authorial meaning, the further implications of which we are free to ponder - not simply painting a vast, inhospitable landscape for us to project our own meaning onto, like Tarkovsky does, or many West European filmmakers like Bunuel or the aforementioned Bergman.

Now I want to get me a projector and organize a pirate Żuławski marathon in a warehouse, culminating with a screening of On the Silver Globe, once someone's brought a decent pusher to the party and the shit has started to kick in... Eh, if only my city's avant-garde art scene and I hadn't recognized each other for the pretentious good-for-nothing wankers that we are. More effectual personalities can be found among the wannabe gangsters, for fuck's sake - but those lives are little movies in their own right, and avant-garde cinema's got nothing on them.

Unfortunately, without an overt repressive apparatus for people to struggle against, it seems their finest qualities end up going down the drain a little bit. Creative people end up inventing novel schemes for making money out of ever more primitive illusions, instead of dedicating their brain cells to creating those increasingly elaborate visions that kept our forefathers struggling onward with dignity against inhuman conditions. Which leads us to the big question: if the Communist authoritarian project was a necessary condition to get all these fascinating, singular (anti-/post-)Communist works of art... was it worth the millions of lives sacrificed or devastated?

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by layer8 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @05:21AM (#36102441)
It's coming out on Blu-ray this year: https://eurekavideo.co.uk/movie/andrzej-zulawski-three-films...

A Japanese release already exists (JP subs only): https://www.amazon.co.jp/On-the-Silver-Globe-Blu-ray/dp/B077...

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Sunday May 28, 2023 @07:24AM (#36103097)
It's also on torrents and English subtitles should exist (if they are needed at all)
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by layer8 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @07:31AM (#36103130)
There is an older DVD release (2007?) from before the remaster, which I’ve heard has bad English subtitles. Not sure what you’ll get via torrents.
Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by thriftwy on Sunday May 28, 2023 @07:44AM (#36103197)
It is obvious that you may get the Awesome Edition via torrents.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/oh-you-wanted-awesome-edition/

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by lordfrito on Sunday May 28, 2023 @08:03AM (#36103280)
> what the dreamlike sequences with Stalker’s son meant

I though he had a daughter, am I misremembering?

Interesting tidbit, after a year of filming scenes the prints were damaged in processing and were unusable. [1] He had to completely (almost) reshoot the film a second time. I always wondered about the difference between the original shoot and the reshoot, what no one got to see.

[1] https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/trivia

Re:Watch Tarkovsky's Best Films Online for Free by signa11 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @09:01AM (#36103628)
stalker is based on the beautiful book ‘roadside picnic’ iirc. just a lovely, lovely read.