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Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by lettergram on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:39AM (#35974420)
It’s also why the reverse is starting to happen

Mobile work is still way more popular than it was, many cities were burned down in 2020 and people remember the insecurity. I moved more rural and couldn’t be happier, I’ll take a salary reduction to keep my quality of life.

I won’t even interview in person.

Everyone in my area (hour outside a major city) is basically the same.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by tclancy on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:42AM (#35974451)
>many cities were burned down in 2020

Which ones were those?

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by PaulHoule on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:01AM (#35974661)
Some buildings were burned down in riots but not whole cities. What people haven’t noticed is that this phenomenon has largely run its course. When Tyre Nichols was killed by the police in Memphis this year the police immediately fired the offending officers and… no riots!

Many places have gotten rougher, there is the visible disorder in San Francisco but even the small city of Ithaca, NY has seen a large increase in aggressive panhandling. You can plot opioid overdoses on the map and it looks like a pattern of bullets aimed at the needle exchange. People used to think the old African-American neighborhood downtown was “dangerous” (it wasn’t) but rents have gone up, the area has gentrified, and many of the former residents have relocated to smaller towns in the area. Today people are terrified of the large homeless colony by the inlet and the accompanying shopping cart graveyard.

The pedestrian mall downtown for years was decimated by a construction project that went overtime like the construction of a nuclear reactor, then the pandemic hit. It has been bouncing back and is even starting to get more diverse businesses (it just got a clothing store after years without one, a restaurant moved into the site McDonalds vacated 25 years ago, …) but boy there are a lot of head shops that look more lurid then head shops every looked. (You are dealing with bro overdose when you have a strain of weed called “AK-47”.). I never thought I’d see the day when the mayor, the governor, and the head of the business improvement district would hail the opening of a cannabis dispensary as a strategy for economic development.

My guess is that most cities have people telling a similar story today.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:44AM (#35975130)
You lost me at the last part where it seemed like you were blaming it all on cannabis dispensaries and a strain of weed called “AK-47” - what is bro overdose btw?
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by selimthegrim on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:48AM (#35975986)
In Pakistan in the 80s there was a weed strain called “Martial Law”
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:03AM (#35976278)
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by Clubber on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:26AM (#35976672)
Assault weed!

/s

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by kredd on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:58AM (#35976198)
A single data point from my perspective - live in a “city”, sure things gotten rougher since the pandemic, but it’s all alive. My direct family lives in bigger cities (New York, Toronto), and even though things are not the best, people are having fun, enjoying their lives. Some things are getting better, other stuff not so much.

Won’t really entertain your views on weed, since that’s just practically doesn’t pan out. We’ve had it federally legal here for years now, society hasn’t changed at all because of it.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by Carrok on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:12AM (#35976471)
AK-47 has been a strain since the 70s [1]. But sure, blame it on "bros".

[1] https://2fast4buds.com/news/strain-history-ak-47

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by treeman79 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:03AM (#35974673)
https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage

A lot of them. leaders using race baiting tactics to cause as much trouble as possible. Somehow rioters been exempt from needing social distancing.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by busterarm on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:32AM (#35976782)
While Portland wasn't burned down, it looks quite "bombed out" (and in the graffiti sense it is). Reminiscent of Manhattan in the early 80s.

It's readily apparent areas in multiple cities that were thriving pre-COVID and now you wouldn't consider being alone in at night.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by sundaeofshock on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:45AM (#35974480)
> many cities were burned down in 2020

Really? Burned down implies thousands of buildings in a single city. The displacement of hundreds of thousands. Please, name one city where that happened.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by in3d on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:28AM (#35974961)
2100 businesses damaged or ransacked in Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-chicago-202...

700 buildings damaged, burnt, or destroyed in Minneapolis. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/minneapolis-issue...

The scale of destructive rioting was massive and underreported at the time it was happening.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by willcipriano on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:35AM (#35975033)
Why is this truth so painful for many to hear?
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by JohnFen on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:46AM (#35975955)
It's not painful, and everyone's been hearing it since it was ongoing. But the extent and severity of it was also greatly exaggerated for political purposes.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by willcipriano on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:51AM (#35977085)
I didn't realize we were talking about January 6th.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:08PM (#35977371)
I think extent and severity are relative to the expectations of the individual. EG What do you think is extensive and severe?

There are many course of Metro cities where businesses are still damaged and boarded up 3 years later.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by JohnFen on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:58PM (#35978127)
I lived near one of the areas that got a ton of media attention. Comparing what a certain breed of pundits were saying about it with what I could plainly see with my own two eyes showed that the pundits were mostly talking nonsense.

I'm not saying that there was no property damage or unrest. There most certainly was. but it was far more limited in area, and far less intense, than many were describing.

"Cities are burning" is one of those absurd things. Nothing even close to that happened.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by MisterBastahrd on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:52PM (#35978894)
I think some people have an incentive to exaggerate it for political reasons.

My father believes that the entire country is embroiled in an unmitigated crime wave because he gets his news from Fox and Youtube. Every time I talk to him he whines about how "the country isn't the same as how I grew up anymore."

This is a man who lives closer to the country than the city. It gives him a justification for turning his brain off and voting the way that he does, because in his mind, he's protecting the nation by preventing what he believes to be the liberal dream: allowing young, black men to run around and commit crimes with reckless abandon to bring about the end of capitalism.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by selimthegrim on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:46AM (#35975963)
Allenrb above is disputing you.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by GiorgioG on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:49AM (#35976012)
As an independent voter, it's obvious why. When you become a member of one of these two parties, you're part of the team, and generally you're going to assume the best of your team's intentions, their media coverage and so on. And you'll think the worst of the other side's intentions, media, and so on. I think plenty of both sides' positions are valid and others completely fucking insane.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by allenrb on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:40AM (#35975860)
I own property in some of the “rougher” areas of Chicago. Yes, the pandemic was hard and yes, it had some effects. But “burned down”? Come on, not in the ballpark, not even in the same sport.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by tppiotrowski on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:46AM (#35975947)
Context beyond the headline for the MSP article where 700 buildings were damaged, burnt or destroyed:

"cosmetic damage, minor damage, major damage, and wholly destroyed, which included 12 structures"

Map: https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/i/cbslocal/wp-content/uplo...

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by jkestner on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:34AM (#35976814)
Our house should meet that standard, by what the kids have done to it.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by gwd on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:48AM (#35976003)
> 700 buildings damaged, burnt, or destroyed in Minneapolis.

Classic "how to lie with numbers". 698 buildings with a broken window, one with a minor fire, and one "destroyed" (whatever that means) would satisfy this description.

Not to say that there wasn't damage done; but the stats you give are clearly designed to look bad rather than to be informative.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by seadan83 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:56AM (#35976153)
Same source says 71 buildings set on fire. Does not mention if any were completely burned. Criteria for damage seems to be any damage at all. Saying the city was "sacked" might be more accurate, but even then that is wrong. There are tens of thousands if not hundreds if thousands of buildings in Chicago, 71 (less than 0.01%) having had any fire does not seem to really qualify as "the city was burned down"

Further, the damage seemingly was concentrated in poor neighborhoods. Hence, citation should be provided that fear post George Floyd backlash is a major reason for tech workers to leave Chicago. From the same reference:

" They missed signals that the killing of Floyd, captured on video and played millions of times by horrified Americans, could touch off looting. And to this day, they face resentment that the city prioritized the protection of downtown at the expense of residential neighborhoods inhabited mostly by people of color."

On the other hand, the reference does say the backlash and riots caused more damage than following MLK Jr's assassination does provide reasonable context to the scale of the event. Yet, with higher numbers of businesses, it might be there is more stuff to be damaged that lead to a larger figure of monetary damage (but that is still to say that both back-lashes were seemingly at least on par)

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by nancyhn on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:26AM (#35976680)
They are overcorrecting for the news media that downplayed the riots. Mostly peaceful was how CNN famously described it while literally standing in front of burning wreckage.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by helen___keller on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:58AM (#35974633)
I don’t think what you’re saying and what GP is saying are incompatible. Many people choose to work exclusively remotely so they can live where they want; those who want top wages, or who are in a non-remote-compatible field tend to prefer the big city with the jobs available in such.

I’d also like the point out:

> Everyone in my area (hour outside a major city) is basically the same

If you live only an hour outside a major city, you’re still living in the metropolitan region of a big city.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by flangola7 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:31AM (#35976756)
> many cities were burned down in 2020

I don't ever recall seeing photos of numerous whole city blocks turned to ashes.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by mrguyorama on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:23PM (#35977583)
My brother told my mother there were riots in the small city I live in.

It was like twelve people laying on the road in front of the police station, as a "protest".