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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by gadders on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:59AM (#35950363)
I'd be very surprised if there were zero atheists that were anti-abortion.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by rayiner on Monday May 15, 2023 @02:10PM (#35952219)
Albania has been officially atheist since 1967. But abortion was not legalized until 1995.

The idea that American “evangelical Christians” invented opposition to abortion is typical American ignorance and myopia. Various levels of opposition to abortion is the norm across the world—for pretty obvious reasons. The rights-based view of abortion is what’s actually unusual and unique to Christian and post-Christian societies.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by kelnos on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:29AM (#35959855)
Who are the loudest voices advocating for abortion bans, though? Of the legislators who write and vote for abortion ban bills, what is their reasoning and background? At least in the US, it sounds like the loudest of those voices are coming from a religious place, mostly from a Christian perspective. I'll grant you that it's certainly more than just "evangelical" Christians, but I consider that an irrelevant distinction. (Note that I'm not arguing that there are no non-Christians who are anti-abortion, just that they don't seem to be the ones pushing these laws through.)

Either way, I think if you're going to engage in some American-bashing, you should probably cite some sources to back up your claims.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by rayiner on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @12:59PM (#35964622)
In the US it’s Christians, in Bangladesh it’s Muslims, in Thailand it’s Buddhists. When completely different religions around the world agree on an issue, that suggests something more fundamental than arbitrary religious doctrine—like not mixing different kinds of threads. It’s rooted in a broadly shared view about reproduction being a (and possibly “the”) central purpose of a person’s life.

It’s more illuminating to ask where the “my body my choice” view comes from. Who are the loudest voices advocating that view? It’s post-Christian white people in Anglo countries. Even in other societies that permit abortion, like Confucian China, it’s not based on this idea of an inherent “right to bodily autonomy.” It’s based on family planning or population control rationales. Even in Europe, the ECHR has repeatedly declined to recognize a general “right” to an abortion. (In European countries outside the Anglosphere, abortion is an exercise of legislative prerogative.)

Abortion-as-a-right is a fusion of Anglo ideas about “rights” of individuals against the government with Christian ideas about individualized morality. It’s rooted in a distinctive and quasi-religious view of humans as having some higher and more noble purpose beyond reproducing themselves.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by trasz4 on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:28AM (#36001688)
>In the US it’s Christians, in Bangladesh it’s Muslims, in Thailand it’s Buddhists.

You're lying again. Even the most strict sharia law countries tend not to have as extreme approach to abortion as some christian ones. Same with buddhism.

>It’s more illuminating to ask where the “my body my choice” view comes from.

Humanism - same as all the other human rights.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by dang on Friday May 19, 2023 @03:18PM (#36005783)
As you've been breaking the site guidelines again repeatedly, we've banned this account.

Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by trasz4 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @09:47AM (#35961861)
>I'd be very surprised if there were zero atheists that were anti-abortion.

Well, sure, there were _some_, eg both Hitler and Stalin have delegalised abortion in their countries. But I'm not sure if that's the kind of moral oracle that todays christian fundamentalists would like to remember.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by nsxwolf on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @03:47PM (#35966824)
Nat Hentoff was a more interesting and less inflammatory example of an anti-abortion atheist.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by trasz4 on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:30AM (#36001706)
"Non-inflammatory" ways of fighting religious fundamentalism and fringe theories don't work.