Speak for yourself. Bean dishes are delicious and I'd choose them over steak in most circumstances.

I totally agree, and I quite like meat.

You’re not quite getting at the root of it.

People are generally selfish and will generally choose to do things that benefit them over things that benefit other people.

Well sure. If one puts all their discretionary income and effort into a “pile” the vast majority would go to themselves/kin then others.

If the other people are selfless it won’t benefit them either.

And they don't provide everything meat does.

People can easily live off a carnivore diet, they can't with beans. 86% of vegetarians go back to eating meat because they get sick. Nearly all vegetarians I've seen are nearly never obese but nearly always look weak, sick and tired.

You just generalised roughly about a billion people's diets.

> 86% of vegetarians go back to eating meat because they get sick

About half of those billion people were never not-vegetarian in the first place, i.e. Indians. They are generational vegetarians, having stuck to that diet for well over 3500 years. So either you pulled that factoid out of some unsavoury orifice, or you are badly misinformed.

> Nearly all vegetarians I've seen are nearly never obese but nearly always look weak, sick and tired

Also, source?

Americans are amongst the most 'carnivorous'[1], but there is a massive obesity, heart disease, and high cholesterol problem in the US.

[1]: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-meat-consumption-pe...

Huh, a majority of Indians aren’t vegetarian. Don't spread FUD.

> FUD

How is this 'fear, uncertainty, and/or doubt'? At worst, my fact is wrong, but it certainly isn't inducing 'fear', nor 'doubt'. People should really not use words and acronyms that they don't fully understand... Furthermore, the parent commenter said:

> 86% of vegetarians go back to eating meat,

emphasis mine. There are roughly a billion vegetarians worldwide, depending on who you ask. About half of those vegetarians (i.e. roughly 500 million) are Indian. As I already mentioned, these vegetarians are generational, going back thousands of years. I assume the parent commenter meant to discuss Western vegetarians, who have typically adopted the diet within their own lifetimes, ergo the 'go back'.

Coming from the other side, about 30%-40% of Indians are vegetarian (again, depending on the source). Given India's current population, this number again evaluates to about 500 million.

So, nothing wrong with my comment, and I most certainly didn't say 'a majority of Indians are vegetarian'. There is a significant margin of error, yes (on the order of ± 100 million), but there always is when trying to estimate this sort of socio-cultural aspect.

I don’t have a statistical interest in this dispute, but I do think it’s worth pointing out that this is an unusual use of the term “FUD”.

Majority of Indians are non-vegetarians. Indians eat way less meat than other countries, sure. Part of this is due to cultural, religious, and cost reasons, but the fact that most Indians are non-vegetarians is un-disputed.

Here is one post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/yaspf6/19_of_populat..., but you can easily find better references online regarding the same.

> Majority of Indians are non-vegetarians

Is there somewhere in my comment that implied otherwise, so much that I got two responses saying the same thing?

As far as I understand, I only said about 500 million Indians are vegetarian, which is about 35% of India's population.

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

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Put the two together and have a feijoada

Steak is the most overrated food ever. Give me soup dumplings, tacos, neapolitan pizza, ANYTHING over a bland unseasoned slab of meat that cost $50-100 (or way more in Vegas). The romance around steak is entirely cultural and not objective.

> bland unseasoned

I found the problem. A proper steak should be properly seasoned.

Unless you have the palate of a child, beans and meat are two different things. Similar to comparing apples to oranges. They can both be enjoyed.

Does the meat really taste better, or is it because it's buried in a sauce full of sugar?