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Re:What Wikipedia Did by madeofpalk on Sunday May 14, 2023 @06:01AM (#35936816)
Personally, I attribute this more to Wikipedia's non-commercial nature. It's goal has a clear end state because it isn't chacing endless growth that for-profit/vc-backed companies do.

I believe also it's possible to have a social media network that is non-commercial and is successful because it has no need to pump engagement to chase endless growth.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by wanttocomment on Sunday May 14, 2023 @06:16AM (#35936876)
I'm not sure that's the case. It has an ever expanding budget and picks up new political causes often.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by themitigating on Sunday May 14, 2023 @11:56AM (#35938903)
How does either of those things make it like a business or chasing profit?
Re:What Wikipedia Did by wanttocomment on Sunday May 14, 2023 @04:51PM (#35941259)
The specific attribute mentioned is the pressure to continue to grow, instead of executing a simple mission. Wikipedia doesn't do that at all, and clearly feels pressure to grow power and expand into new domains.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by bawolff on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:14AM (#35948472)
The last time wikimedia really did that was wikidata and that was a decade ago.

Although i suppose the ongoing abstract wikipedia stuff is an example of that.

By and large i dont think there has been much in way of expansion attempts. Most of them are from long ago.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by account42 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:18AM (#35959798)
Re:What Wikipedia Did by bawolff on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @02:05PM (#35965499)
What does that have to do with expanding into new domains? Its just a restructuring of how some of the funding works.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by booleandilemma on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:40AM (#35937237)
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Re:What Wikipedia Did by jfengel on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:49AM (#35937284)
I believe any social site will inevitably devolve into spam and trolling, and arguments about why my poor behavior doesn't quite cross the line. It has to constantly solicit new content, even if it were completely devoid of financial goal, because it's fundamentally read-write.

Wikipedia aims for a read only state and will happily throw out any contribution even slightly out of line since that's not its mission. It's anti-social.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by ghaff on Sunday May 14, 2023 @08:09AM (#35937383)
There have been other social information sites that failed not so much because of an explicit commercial angle but because any such site can easily be overrun by the grifter and scammers.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by detourdog on Sunday May 14, 2023 @11:02AM (#35938520)
That is the irony to me. Good things seem to require a strong vision and discipline. This often comes from an individual forceful enough to maintain focus for the group.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by themitigating on Sunday May 14, 2023 @11:57AM (#35938916)
It can also come from rules that are enforced by a group of individuals
Re:What Wikipedia Did by detourdog on Sunday May 14, 2023 @02:31PM (#35940166)
Yes it can, I think that it is rarer form. I can't think of any but I'm sure they exist.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by evolve2k on Sunday May 14, 2023 @09:13AM (#35937695)
This belief is founded on a falsehood, specifically it rests upon some version of the popularised economic theory of the “tragedy of the commons”.

Short version. The original Tradgedy of the Commons paper that much modern economic theory rests upon and that is a key pillar that justifies the value of privatisation has found to have been made up.

Elinor Ostrom spent over 20 years debunking that there’s nothing you can do, and distilled a set of principals that any community can enact to protect and preserve a commons.

By example, here’s Mozilla led research on ‘A Practical Framework for Applying Ostrom’s Principles to Data Commons Governance’

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/a-practical-framework...

Re:What Wikipedia Did by tbrownaw on Sunday May 14, 2023 @10:32AM (#35938306)
How exactly does "here's a set of rules that people can follow to share resources with minimal problems, it took two decades to figure out" count as a debunking of "sharing resources without an authority to impose rules tends to go badly"?
Re:What Wikipedia Did by evolve2k on Sunday May 14, 2023 @11:45AM (#35938823)
Your skepticism reflects your naivety. You might want to do your own research into Ostroms Nobel Prize in economics.
Re:What Wikipedia Did by dragonwriter on Sunday May 14, 2023 @03:26PM (#35940647)
> The original Tradgedy of the Commons paper that much modern economic theory rests upon

None of modern economic theory rests upon that paper. Literally the only thing that rests on it is the name of a scenario in game theory, and... it’s not even the dominant name, just an alternate for Prisoner’s Dilemma.

(A lot of social science, and not just economics, applies that scenario, but that doesn’t rest on the paper, but on rational choice theory, or some variation thereon.)

Re:What Wikipedia Did by evolve2k on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:33PM (#35942328)
Privatisation is founded upon this (false) conception. In short due to the (false) “unavoidable tragedy of the commons”, our only choice is to have assets either privately owned or owned by the state.

This was what was espoused by the (debunked) paper and remains a pillar of contemporary neo-liberal ideology.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by dragonwriter on Monday May 15, 2023 @05:04AM (#35945440)
> Privatisation is founded upon this (false) conception

“Privatization” is a government policy, not “modern economic theory”, and to the extent that policy is based on that broad concept of a general effect of which the essay purported to document an example (rather than specific analysis of the domain being privatized), that essay is not the basis (it neither introduced the concept—which was much older—nor was is it the sole purported example).

> This was what was espoused by the (debunked) paper and remains a pillar of contemporary neo-liberal ideology.

It was a pillar of liberal ideology long before the essay was written, it never rested on the essay and, in any case, ideology isn’t the same as economic theory (Austrian school aside.)

Re:What Wikipedia Did by evolve2k on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:49AM (#35946184)
Pretty confident that a ‘Nobel Prize in Economics’ fits within ‘Modern economic theory’.

I think we’re at semantics.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by dragonwriter on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:55AM (#35949210)
> Pretty confident that a ‘Nobel Prize in Economics’ fits within ‘Modern economic theory’.

If you mean the 2009 one for work that included one of the many dismantlings of both the underlying essay you are you are talking about and the broader principal it addresses, sure, but that further rebuts, rather than supports, your argument that modern economic theory is based on that essay.

Re:What Wikipedia Did by andrepd on Sunday May 14, 2023 @12:40PM (#35939233)
That's trivially proven false by the numerous examples of social sites that subsist for decades with a healthy community.