Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by dbspin on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:44PM
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Interesting... I've never heard that about Valve being a dysfunctional company. They have the higher revenue per employee than Google or Microsoft. Staff seem highly motivated and self directed, and - with the notable exception of the Tilt 5 conflict over the future being VR vs AR (which was settled incredibly amicably) - they seem notably free of internal dysfunction. For a company in the games industry in particular, they seems astonishingly well run.
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Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by kibwen on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:50PM
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Valve's dysfunction doesn't manifest as drama (which is how dysfunction manifests in other gaming companies, e.g. Activision-Blizzard), but rather as interminable deadlock. Fortunately for Valve, they reaped the first-mover advantage with Steam (and literally invented loot crates, a decade before Fortnite) and can freely sit on their laurels while Steam prints an infinite pile of money.
Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by MichaelZuo on Monday May 08, 2023 @06:50PM
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That may be but they're sitting on their laurels more productively, in terms of revenue and profit per employee, then either Microsoft or Google or Meta.
Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by dbspin on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:57AM
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Valve Index, Steamdeck, continual dominance of PC gaming both in long tale and new releases. I see enormous creative and financial success, and apparently an engaging and productive place to work. What deadlock? Game releases? That hasn't been their focus for a long time - yet when they do release a new game, like Halflife Alex, its usually critically lauded and commercially successful. Meanwhile much of the PC gaming space is suffering from enormous problems - early broken releases, bad ports, stutter struggle etc. Valve seem like a rare bright light of ethical business and technological innovation.
Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by bombcar on Monday May 08, 2023 @02:08PM
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Valve is famously dysfunctional in some ways, as they don't really have "drivers" pushing things if the employees don't really want to do it.
Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by dbspin on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:51AM
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Yeah - that sounds ideal honestly. And I think their success bears it out. A company driven by the passions and creativity of some of the most talented programmers and artists in the industry. They gate for self motivated people through their hiring process, and it works well for them. The idea that organisational structures should be authoritarian in order to be productive is fundamentally flawed IMHO, and Valve (as well as companies like SEMCO, and educational organisations like Sudbury Valley) ably bear that out.
Re:The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok: Or how, platforms die
by red-iron-pine on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:38PM
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All large organizations are fundamentally pathological, and even smaller ones will have their own querks and disfunctions.
Valve has gotten a lot of attention, and a lot of flak, over its flat structure and "drivers", but I'm not sure that's particularly worse than some of the atrociously broken engineering practices I've seen at F500 companies.