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Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by QuiDortDine on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:42PM (#35844144)
If there was something to leak, it was always going to. Just a matter of when. Pretending otherwise is just security theater.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by brookst on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:17PM (#35844510)
Is everything that is gong to fail eventually just useless theater? Like new cars Re just transport theater because they will have to be junked eventually?

I agree that master private keys are bad security design, and we can and should do better. I'm just not willing to say that all past security value is retroactively nullified. That feels polemic more than realistic.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by htag on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:28PM (#35844593)
There's a difference between temporary security and security theater.

Real but temporary security -> This 2048 bit key you generated will be commercial grade protection until at least 2030. Sometime after that computers will be strong enough to brute force it. Do not store anything with this key that will still be highly sensitive in 7 years. It's possible the underlying algorithm is cracked, or a leap in quantum computers happen that will make the key obsolete sooner.

Security theater -> All software running on this chip must be signed with our master key. Please trust all software we sign with this key, and no malicious party will have access to it. You are not allowed to run arbitrary software on your hardware because it is not signed with our key.

In the first case, the security is real. You own the lock, you own the key, and you control the entire security process. In the second case, you neither own the lock, the key, and basically have limited access to your own hardware.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by brookst on Saturday May 06, 2023 @10:19PM (#35847287)
The trick is seeing different personas rather than just "you".

IT admins are thrilled to have limited access to their own hardware, as long as adversaries do too.

In corporate IT, the greatest fear is insider attacks, either knowing or because statistically some users will inevitably make mistakes. Secure boot is fantastic in this context, even if it feels like an unreasonably impingement to gamers / tech enthusiasts.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by conradev on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:30PM (#35844608)
Yeah, it is puzzling that the key was able to be leaked in the first place. The key should have been in an HSM.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by er4hn on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:47PM (#35845228)
Same thing with Samsung and their key leak.

Part of the blame, imo, lies with how clunky tools are at the lower levels. I've seen plenty of hardware based signing protocols that don't allow for key hierarchies.

Higher level tools push this along as well. Hashicorp Vault also, last I checked, doesn't allow for being a front end to an HSM. You can store the master unlock key for a Vault in an HSM, but all of the keys Vault works with will still be in Vault, in memory.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by foobiekr on Saturday May 06, 2023 @07:32PM (#35846357)
HSMs are not secure to sustained competent hardware attacks. This should have been on an HSM in multiple secure a signing service facilities with authenticated access and never handed to an OEM of any kind in any form.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by 19h on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:03PM (#35844361)
Pfft, keys, schmeys. Real security is built on handshakes and backroom deals, not strong encryption.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by Y_Y on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:30PM (#35844606)
What's the cryptographic definition of a "backroom deal"? Can I do it with Ed25519?
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by efitz on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:10PM (#35845781)
No, but you can with the curves that the NSA proposed to NIST.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by cassepipe on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:36PM (#35844684)
Didn't get it
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by guerrilla on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:43PM (#35844147)
Yeah, don't depend on a permanent global conspiracy for your security. Someone always defects and accidents often happen long before that.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by hammock on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:26PM (#35844567)
That’s the same argument that people use to support the second amendment (the people’s right to bear arms)
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by Y_Y on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:31PM (#35844624)
Hey, the second amendment says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, it doesn't say it exists!
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by aksss on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:38PM (#35845976)
"keep and bear" :^)
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by Y_Y on Sunday May 07, 2023 @09:55AM (#35851552)
What do you mean? It also says that states should have militias or something, but I didn't feel that was relevant.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by henriquez on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:46PM (#35844184)
It is not a conspiracy. Just like the iOS App Store it is for your own protection. There is no legitimate reason to run your own software on general purpose computing hardware.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by ChrisClark on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:50PM (#35844239)
/s I hope. ;)
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by brookst on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:20PM (#35844530)
Doesn't really matter /a or not, it's a ridiculously reductive and extremist position either way.

Security is about tradeoffs, most notably security vs convenience, but also many others.

Anyone who suggests that their personal preferences in tradeoffs are not just universally correct but also the only reasonable position to hold is just silly.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by userbinator on Saturday May 06, 2023 @08:07PM (#35846570)
It's extremist but unfortunately also an opinion that seems to be nonsarcastically becoming more popular.
Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by chaxor on Saturday May 06, 2023 @07:46PM (#35846466)
I love this comment, thank for such a good laugh.

I really hope no one would ever think this non sarcastically.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by vivegi on Saturday May 06, 2023 @10:37PM (#35847367)
Yeah, right. Wait until the day when iOS App Store infra keys leak.

Oh no! That will never happen. Because it runs on Apple M1 kryptonite chip that even Superman can't touch. /s

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by Dalewyn on Saturday May 06, 2023 @10:40PM (#35847385)
This rings more true than many would want to accept: Most people view and use computers as household appliances; they just use whatever is installed on it and if it breaks they go out and buy a new one.

For most people there are, in fact, no legitimate reasons to run "their own" software on "general purpose" (read: household appliance) computing hardware. Almost nobody runs custom software on their washing machine or toaster.

Re:Intel OEM Private Key Leak: A Blow to UEFI Secure Boot Se... by sobkas on Saturday May 06, 2023 @08:02PM (#35846541)
> Yeah, don't depend on a permanent global conspiracy for your security. Someone always defects and accidents often happen long before that.

But then we still also have things like Crypto AG.