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Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by kccqzy on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:41PM (#35834195)
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Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by ra7 on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:47PM (#35834263)
I’ve only taken a couple of Waymo rides when I went to Phoenix. I would take them over Uber/Lyft any day, if Waymo offered rides in my city because:

* They are very safe and you’re not at the mercy of the Uber/Lyft driver’s driving skills.

* Their cars are pretty good (Jaguar I-Pace fleet) and generally very clean. You know what you’re getting every time.

* You don’t have to interact with a driver.

* No tipping.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by austinkhale on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:53PM (#35834336)
- The cars are very safe, very conservative drivers

- The interiors are nice, well air conditioned and don't smell

- You don't have to talk to a person, which I don't always hate but have had some bad experiences. This just removes the roll of the dice from the equation entirely.

- They are currently at par or cheaper with Uber/Lyft prices and typically it's faster for the car to arrive

- You get to play your own music

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by threeseed on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:25PM (#35834709)
> You don't have to talk to a person

My partner has been propositioned and harassed over a dozen times by Uber drivers.

I think for many this is going to be a killer feature.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by drusepth on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:40PM (#35834878)
I think a lot of Lyft's early "we're like Uber, but better for women!" marketing hints that this is a killer feature that will absolutely drive growth. Especially now that Lyft, too, is saturated to the point of equally-risky drivers as Uber was/is.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by oh_sigh on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:58PM (#35835085)
I feel like once they start rolling out to more and more locales, we will be hit with a spate of news stories like "creepy guy wouldn't let my car drive away by standing in front of it and leering at me"
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:01PM (#35835119)
Another benefit to Waymo vehicles: Full video recording of all road interactions
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by NewMountain on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:06PM (#35835164)
I had an Uber driver in upstate New York who was trying to get me to agree or at least not disagree with the superiority of the white "race". I had another driver in Oakland California who would not relent until I acknowledged God is real and I should be thankful for his love. I felt massive cognitive dissonance afterwards feeling both the requirement to report these drivers but also massive guilt at the non-zero chance I was depriving them of one if not the last potential for work available to them. I decided not to report either but still reflect on whether that was a good choice or not.

Edit: to be totally clear: I did not agree in either situation, but tried to gracefully divert or redirect without escalating the situation. I didn't confront as, frankly, I wasn't sure if the person would have responded violently.

Uber is valuable, but I have kind of accepted the premise that an Uber drive is just a public transit experience with a customized destination. I should expect some potentially weird and possibly unpleasant interactions as part of the process.

I would 100% convert to Waymo only away from Uber just based on those two experiences and dozens if not hundreds of generally positive Uber experiences.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by asvitkine on Saturday May 06, 2023 @08:32AM (#35840731)
Wouldn't such cases result in bad ratings for the drivers?
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by NewMountain on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:13AM (#35858352)
I honestly don't recall ever having a driver lower than 4.2 or so ever when taking an Uber. My guess is both of those drivers were low to mid 4 stars as I didn't pay any attention to it.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by kypro on Saturday May 06, 2023 @09:27AM (#35841175)
Yeah, as a guy I personally quite enjoy interacting with my driver (if I feel like it anyway). But basically every young female I know has been spoken to or treated inappropriately by taxi drivers here in the UK.

I think Uber has solved this to some degree with their rating system, but it's still a big problem.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by trgn on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:05PM (#35834483)
> - The cars are very safe, very conservative drivers

So great to hear. Seeing videos of self-driving Tesla made me fear for the worst.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by what_ever on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:17PM (#35834616)
Tbh, you shouldn't compare Tesla "AutoPilot" with these full self driving options.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by cheonic20058 on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:21PM (#35837053)
> Tbh, you shouldn't compare Tesla "AutoPilot" with these full self driving options.

Right. Because Tesla FSD “beta” is not guaranteed, even if you pay for the monthly subscription.

And even if you did have Tesla FSD beta, it’s a pile of shit. It’s gets worse every quarter as they continue to remove safety sensors from vehicles due to supply chain issues.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by speedgoose on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:12AM (#35838579)
We haven’t watched the same FSD videos on YouTube lately but ok.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by speedgoose on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:13AM (#35838585)
The Tesla full self driving private beta is more comparable, but not able to drive by itself for long time.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by itsoktocry on Saturday May 06, 2023 @07:57AM (#35840449)
>The Tesla full self driving private beta is more comparable

Have they removed the "you need to be fully aware and ready to grab the wheel" requirements of FSD? If not, how is this comparable? There is no driver.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by speedgoose on Saturday May 06, 2023 @10:26AM (#35841686)
I mention that in the second part of the sentence you quote. It's comparable in some ways because the car drives itself most of the time. And apparently is not restricted to some well mapped areas.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by icey on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:24PM (#35834700)
Here's one concrete example -- these cars almost never take left hand turns. They'll route multiple right hand turns to get somewhere, which makes it feel much less risky when pulling onto a busy street from a neighborhood, for example.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by sebmellen on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:30PM (#35834770)
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by adrr on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:49PM (#35834988)
I wish my navigation supported that feature.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by fzzzy on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:11PM (#35836665)
I just make a right turn and let it reroute.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:48PM (#35834966)
It's understandable, but very unfortunate that people group Waymo, Cruise, and Tesla together. Waymo is at least 5-10 years more advanced.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by saberience on Saturday May 06, 2023 @07:38AM (#35840322)
It’s really really not, Waymo only works in a tiny section of the country which has almost perfect conditions for self driving. Let me know when it works in upstate New York during winter.

Tesla is developing a general solution which works everywhere and can take left hand turns! ;)

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by itsoktocry on Saturday May 06, 2023 @07:59AM (#35840464)
>Tesla is developing a general solution which works everywhere and can take left hand turns!

Ah yes, the classic comparison between a product you can literally go out and use, today, versus some hypothetical Tesla future state. No matter how good the technology is, Tesla promises something better and people act like it exists.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Saturday May 06, 2023 @09:46AM (#35841342)
Waymo is only publically active in a limited area. By all indications, they could operate to the same or better standard than Tesla in unmapped areas.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by RivieraKid on Saturday May 06, 2023 @09:57AM (#35841441)
Depends on your definition of advanced. A coffee maker is more advanced than Waymo because it can do something Waymo can't. Waymo could easily modify their cars so that they can make coffee and can drive everywhere with a lower failure rate than Tesla, but they don't want to. On the other hand, Tesla can't do what Waymo does.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by JumpCrisscross on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:45PM (#35834941)
Adding:

- they’re cheap. $5/ride.

- they’re fun. It’s a self-driving car! That’s cool! I genuinely had fun every time I was taken around in one.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by arecurrence on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:58PM (#35835081)
Does it prompt for a tip?
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:34PM (#35835406)
No
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by tradertef on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:08PM (#35836979)
That would be a sole reason to use this for me..
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by kpw94 on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:02PM (#35835642)
> The interiors are nice, well air conditioned and don't smell

If they scale, that will become a problem:

- people puking in car

- people having sex in car

- people eating greasy fries in car

These happen in public transportation too (the sex one not as often, but puking, eating smelly/gross food definitely), but the big difference here is that users won't be anonymous. The next waymo rider (or waymo staff if the car stops by some inspection checkpoint between rides, or some extra in-car sensors) will be able to report the incident, which would flag repeating bad riders over time.

Overall the experience would be as good as a Uber today, as like you said, no roll of the dice on the driver.

Another new problem specific to self driving and not seen for public transportation: muggers driving a high speed bike targeting isolated rides (they'll know how easy it is to make the car stop, smash a window, and get the rider's valuables). Basically the modern version of stagecoach robberies.

One could argue these already happens in Europe on highways with traffic jams, but I can see the muggers being more active at night, since in addition to knowing the rider can't try to escape, there's also less crowds around. It'll be very dependants on regions : In Phoenix, I'd assume less often as muggers won't know if the rider is carrying.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by elbigbad on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:45PM (#35836015)
Geez this is some Grade-A FUD. Wow, I’m shocked.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by HALtheWise on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:28PM (#35836760)
Constant HD video logging of everything going on inside and outside the car doesn't eliminate these issues, but it should do a lot to minimize them. If you're looking to do stagecoach robbery, I'm not sure why you'd pick the one car that will clearly record your face and license plate, and which is networked with hundreds of other cars to watch every second of your getaway.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by boulos on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:21PM (#35837051)
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by Animats on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:00AM (#35838188)
"The car, however, used its self-defense features to scare them off."

Just warnings and sirens. Nothing drastic, such as "Your Google account has been terminated for violating Google's terms of service".

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by maccard on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:11AM (#35839889)
If an occurence is newsworthy, then it's so uncommon that it's worth talking about. How many news stories do you hear about gangs on bikes or scooters snatching mobile phones from people?
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by andromeduck on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:35PM (#35836795)
Arizona is a shall-issue State.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by agensaequivocum on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:55PM (#35837230)
Arizona is a permitless state since 2010.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by andromeduck on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:39PM (#35837440)
Even better - though I suppose it's probably against ToS
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by agensaequivocum on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:04PM (#35837559)
I too would be surprised if it's not like Uber/Lyft. That said, concealed is concealed.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by petre on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:47AM (#35838436)
Put a VOC sensor in the car and have a tireless robo voice educate the naughty occupants for the rest of the trip.

Muggers won't be an issue since it's complicated to get people's stuff out of the car through a broken window.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by maccard on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:09AM (#35839885)
> These happen in public transportation too (the sex one not as often, but puking, eating smelly/gross food definitely),

Eh, I've used public transport regularly for 10+ years in two countries as a resident and in many, many cities as a visitor, and I can count on one hand the number of incidents I've had where someone has thrown up/left vomit on the bus or train I was on. The greasy/smelly food thing is slightly true, but let's be real, someone eating a McDonald's on a train for 10 minutes out of a 4 hour journey is partially because there's no other choice for food on that train on a long journey. On short distance transit (within the city/region) I genuinely can't remember the last time I had an issue with someone eating on the bus.

> Another new problem specific to self driving and not seen for public transportation

This is just FUD. If someone stepped out in front of me in a car in my city, I would stop. It's just as likely that two people step in front of me, one smashes my window and grabs my valuables and the other stops me from driving off, as it is that they pinpoint driverless cars.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:34PM (#35843518)
Possible, but this behavior would get you immediately perma-banned by the vehicle operators because they 1) know who you are before you enter the vehicle 2) Have video recording of the vehicle, before, during, and after your ride. If the cameras didn't record some damage (smell?) to the vehicle, it's likely the next passenger would report it.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by josefx on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:22AM (#35839331)
> You don't have to talk to a person, which I don't always hate but have had some bad experiences. This just removes the roll of the dice from the equation entirely.

Given that they are a Google/Alphabet company this seems like a missed opportunity for running ads on loop.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:36PM (#35843543)
The attention of a captive audience will absolutely be monetized. This could happen any number of ways, but likely that there will be an option (like YouTube) to pay extra for an ad-free experience.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by stingrae on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:19PM (#35834642)
For me in SF using cruise, I find them to be much safer and smoother drivers than Uber/Lyfts. I don't get car sick and I don't have to worry for my safety.