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Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by kpw94 on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:02PM (#35835642)
> The interiors are nice, well air conditioned and don't smell

If they scale, that will become a problem:

- people puking in car

- people having sex in car

- people eating greasy fries in car

These happen in public transportation too (the sex one not as often, but puking, eating smelly/gross food definitely), but the big difference here is that users won't be anonymous. The next waymo rider (or waymo staff if the car stops by some inspection checkpoint between rides, or some extra in-car sensors) will be able to report the incident, which would flag repeating bad riders over time.

Overall the experience would be as good as a Uber today, as like you said, no roll of the dice on the driver.

Another new problem specific to self driving and not seen for public transportation: muggers driving a high speed bike targeting isolated rides (they'll know how easy it is to make the car stop, smash a window, and get the rider's valuables). Basically the modern version of stagecoach robberies.

One could argue these already happens in Europe on highways with traffic jams, but I can see the muggers being more active at night, since in addition to knowing the rider can't try to escape, there's also less crowds around. It'll be very dependants on regions : In Phoenix, I'd assume less often as muggers won't know if the rider is carrying.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by elbigbad on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:45PM (#35836015)
Geez this is some Grade-A FUD. Wow, I’m shocked.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by HALtheWise on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:28PM (#35836760)
Constant HD video logging of everything going on inside and outside the car doesn't eliminate these issues, but it should do a lot to minimize them. If you're looking to do stagecoach robbery, I'm not sure why you'd pick the one car that will clearly record your face and license plate, and which is networked with hundreds of other cars to watch every second of your getaway.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by boulos on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:21PM (#35837051)
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by Animats on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:00AM (#35838188)
"The car, however, used its self-defense features to scare them off."

Just warnings and sirens. Nothing drastic, such as "Your Google account has been terminated for violating Google's terms of service".

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by maccard on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:11AM (#35839889)
If an occurence is newsworthy, then it's so uncommon that it's worth talking about. How many news stories do you hear about gangs on bikes or scooters snatching mobile phones from people?
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by andromeduck on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:35PM (#35836795)
Arizona is a shall-issue State.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by agensaequivocum on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:55PM (#35837230)
Arizona is a permitless state since 2010.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by andromeduck on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:39PM (#35837440)
Even better - though I suppose it's probably against ToS
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by agensaequivocum on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:04PM (#35837559)
I too would be surprised if it's not like Uber/Lyft. That said, concealed is concealed.
Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by petre on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:47AM (#35838436)
Put a VOC sensor in the car and have a tireless robo voice educate the naughty occupants for the rest of the trip.

Muggers won't be an issue since it's complicated to get people's stuff out of the car through a broken window.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by maccard on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:09AM (#35839885)
> These happen in public transportation too (the sex one not as often, but puking, eating smelly/gross food definitely),

Eh, I've used public transport regularly for 10+ years in two countries as a resident and in many, many cities as a visitor, and I can count on one hand the number of incidents I've had where someone has thrown up/left vomit on the bus or train I was on. The greasy/smelly food thing is slightly true, but let's be real, someone eating a McDonald's on a train for 10 minutes out of a 4 hour journey is partially because there's no other choice for food on that train on a long journey. On short distance transit (within the city/region) I genuinely can't remember the last time I had an issue with someone eating on the bus.

> Another new problem specific to self driving and not seen for public transportation

This is just FUD. If someone stepped out in front of me in a car in my city, I would stop. It's just as likely that two people step in front of me, one smashes my window and grabs my valuables and the other stops me from driving off, as it is that they pinpoint driverless cars.

Re:Waymo doubles service area in Phoenix Metro by xnx on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:34PM (#35843518)
Possible, but this behavior would get you immediately perma-banned by the vehicle operators because they 1) know who you are before you enter the vehicle 2) Have video recording of the vehicle, before, during, and after your ride. If the cameras didn't record some damage (smell?) to the vehicle, it's likely the next passenger would report it.