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Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by MBCook on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:39PM (#35768843)
I kind of like what Nvidia has been doing in GPUs. They have series. 1000s, 2000s, 3000s. Each generate is a new series.

Then the products inside seem to be in performance order. A 3080 is better than a 3060 is better than a 3020 (if that exists).

I know it gets messier than that. The fact that they add the titanium versions kind of screws with it. And in the last year they had that card they had to renumber because a change to its memory configuration (?) made it perform wrong for its moniker.

But at least you know a 3080 is two generations newer than a 1080. Compared to the seemingly random numbers on CPUs it’s simple.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by userbinator on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:49PM (#35768912)
But at least you know a 3080 is two generations newer than a 1080.

That's similar to what Intel was doing with the numbers following the i{3,5,7,9}:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_processors

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by marak830 on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:05AM (#35769863)
I believe his point is, that the I(3/5/7/9) moniker represents the chip power relation, but which generation of the chip is hidden, unlike with say the GeForce cards with the 10xx/20xx/30xx.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by klodolph on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:49PM (#35768916)
The problem with Nvidia is that I blinked and the numbers wrapped around, so a GeForce RTX 4070 is really new, but a GeForce FX 5200 is really old.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by p1necone on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:01AM (#35768973)
Same! I still remember the 8800gtx being "current" high end and the 2XX cards being the recently announced space-age new ones.

Then I stuck with AMD for a while (the HD 4870 followed by the R9 390, both were very compelling options from a $/perf standpoint when they were current from what I remember) and by the time NVidia came back on my radar again they'd gone through another whole ~10 generation cycle of 3 digit numbers and were back on the four digit ones again.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by iforgotpassword on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:01AM (#35769837)
Ahem, the same happened with ATI, they just were lucky to have been renamed to AMD on the way.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by p1necone on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:52AM (#35770464)
I wasn't saying they didn't, just recounting my personal trajectory in the GPU model space.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by iforgotpassword on Monday May 01, 2023 @07:21AM (#35771304)
Yeah, I think I actually wanted to reply to your parent comment and messed up
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by gambiting on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:14AM (#35769915)
That's a pretty long blink to be fair - there's 20 years(!!!!) gap between the two.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by NBJack on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:57PM (#35782280)
At least the letters changed.

Would you like to buy my Xbox One X Box?

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by p1necone on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:52PM (#35768929)
You've touched on the main problem (imo) that seems to happen with large hardware companies adopting consistent naming for performance segments in your comment. Once you've got a sane naming scheme and you've used it for a few generations the incentive to use it to mislead consumers is very high.

Why sell this generations X070 equivalent as an x070 when you can call it an x080 instead and know that a very large chunk of your customer base wont look at the actual specs before paying an extra ~$100 for it? Probably not good in the long term, but who cares about the long term when you can boost sales numbers on a new product now and make shareholders happy.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by gxt on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:04AM (#35772238)
Let's just adopt an open-sourced hardware naming scheme then.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by jdiff on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:56AM (#35773639)
That's kind of a nonsensical suggestion. You can't define this in a way significantly different than it already is that makes sense across devices. You can use metrics like "% of performance vs flagship product," which a lot of people have used to point out that lately the xx80-class-turned-xx70-class cards of today are looking more like xx60 Ti-class cards of yesterday in relative performance, but performance isn't always that simple and there's no way any company will conform to it. Even if they use it, there's no incentive not to break from it the same way they do now.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by red-iron-pine on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:37AM (#35774333)
I'm all about the FOSS but I can't see what an "open source naming system" would due for us or how that would work.

How do we account for nuances on AMD, Intel, or Qualcomm chips? Does that apply to other ARM chips?

And then there is the issue of trademark, copyright, and branding, which could get into legal struggles.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by gxt on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:50PM (#35782214)
Not sure I understand all the downvotes and replies.. 5 secs of gpt4 later:

A naming scheme:

Manufacturer Code: A short abbreviation or code for the manufacturer, e.g., 'IN' for Intel, 'AMD' for AMD, 'NV' for NVIDIA, etc.

Component Type: A short abbreviation for the component type, e.g., 'CPU' for Central Processing Unit and 'GPU' for Graphics Processing Unit.

Generation: A two-digit number representing the generation of the component. For instance, '01' for the first generation, '02' for the second generation, and so on.

Performance Tier: A letter representing the performance tier of the component, with 'A' being the highest tier and 'E' being the lowest tier. This can be expanded to include more tiers as needed.

Sub-Tier: A two-digit number representing the sub-tier within the performance tier, with '01' being the highest sub-tier and '99' being the lowest sub-tier.

Examples:

IN-CPU-03-A05: This would represent an Intel third-generation CPU, in the highest performance tier (A), and positioned in the fifth sub-tier within that tier.

NV-GPU-02-C15: This would represent an NVIDIA second-generation GPU, in the middle performance tier (C), and positioned in the fifteenth sub-tier within that tier.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by RealStickman_ on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:53AM (#35785287)
An 01-A part should have the performance of a 02-B part while being less efficient.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by leetcrew on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:52PM (#35768933)
> But at least you know a 3080 is two generations newer than a 1080. Compared to the seemingly random numbers on CPUs it’s simple.

CPU SKUs work exactly the same way? intel has gone longer than nvidia without restarting the numbering, so they need two digits instead of one.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by alpaca128 on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:29AM (#35769658)
"i7-6700" could also be "6700" without any loss of information if the numbering follows a consistent system. Instead it's needlessly verbose so everyone just shortens it to "i7" which carries little information.

> intel has gone longer than nvidia without restarting the numbering, so they need two digits instead of one.

Nvidia started the current numbering with 200 almost at the same time, with the 10XX series they added a fourth digit.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by modeless on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:03AM (#35768983)
If you think Nvidia's product naming makes any kind of sense, try a few rounds of my GPU quiz: https://james.darpinian.com/gpu-quiz.html
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by mhh__ on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:06AM (#35768996)
I did it for 12 questions or so and didn't get any wrong.

The naming schemes are completely, completely, retarded but they also aren't that hard to guess

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by IntelMiner on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:43AM (#35769733)
Please don't use slurs to communicate disapproval of something
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by gambiting on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:19AM (#35769945)
Not everyone is American and observes the American norms when it comes to language . Recently had someone(American) complain that a local event called "Jap Cars in the park" was offensive because in US "jap" is apparently a slur. To which everyone went....ok? We're not in America and Japanese cars are often calls Jap cars. "Jap autos" is a common name for car garages.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by iforgotpassword on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:03AM (#35769846)
Yeah, that hard r was totally uncalled for.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by kevinyew on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:41AM (#35771999)
WAN show reference?
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by iforgotpassword on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:53AM (#35772790)
Yep :)
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by andromeduck on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:59AM (#35769829)
Took ~30 for me to get one wrong.
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by Infernal on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:04AM (#35768987)
It sounds like the real issue here with Intel is they got it backwards. Nvidia leads with the generation (2xxx, 3xxx) and then differentiates within the generation (xx60, xx80). Intel leads with the intra-gen differentiation (i5, i7 etc.) which is most often included in marketing, with the generation buried in the particular CPU model number that often isn't included (10xxx, 11xxx).

It doesn't help that there's also a random mix of river codenames and I can never keep straight which number they belong to.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by userbinator on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:18AM (#35769048)
In other words, "middle endianness".
Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by masklinn on Monday May 01, 2023 @01:44AM (#35769436)
Meh. The I is the segment, the is the generation, then the actual part with the generation.

Nobody is surprised that a 3-series can refer to different cars, and the exact model (E46, G20) is not mentioned in marketing.

> It doesn't help that there's also a random mix of river codenames and I can never keep straight which number they belong to.

I’ve never known codenames to do that. Plus they don’t necessarily match generations.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by toast0 on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:28AM (#35769652)
Intel gets more confusing when you include the Pentium and Celerons. There, they have different leading numbers for generations compared to the iX. And if you get mobile chips, you've got trailing suffixes like U and H? that indicate a 'core series' cpu, and leading prefixes like N that indicate a 'atom series' cpu.

The codenames are hard to keep straight, especially when they started making everything a Lake, but at least you can see then list of products formerly known as X and see the whole family.

The basic process for CPU selection is pick the architecture, pick the number of cores, pick the speed tier. But none of that is clearly communicated with the model number.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by NBJack on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:55PM (#35782257)
Let's not forget what they started calling 'gold', which in many cases is just Celeron+. But don't confuse that with 'silver', designed for ultralight computing.

Honestly, I'm somewhat convinced that Intel did this scheme intentionally to sell older hardware (hey this has an i5/'gold' too and it's slightly cheaper!), but perhaps it backfired: folks who already have an iX think that new fancy iX laptop isn't worth it.

Here's hoping there's a tell-all book in a few years with some insight.

In the grand scheme of things, it's still better than the Microsoft Xbox naming convention.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by toast0 on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:38PM (#35783058)
> Let's not forget what they started calling 'gold', which in many cases is just Celeron+. But don't confuse that with 'silver', designed for ultralight computing.

Both Gold and Celeron don't really mean anything. Celeron is often available with the same architecture as the other brands, often with less cores, maybe less speed, maybe some features disabled, but especially if you're comparing across architectures, the brand isn't important, the details are.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by abricot on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:21AM (#35769611)
It's not just the Titanium, they have also launched 1650 and 1660 in between the 20s and 30s generation, and then you have the SUPER, TI and Foundation models.

AMD could also do better.

Re:Intel to drop the “I” moniker in upcoming CPU rebrand by tracker1 on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:06AM (#35770853)
They've (AMD) made their laptop CPU numbering even worse.