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Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by kimixa on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @03:48PM (#35718998)
I am only aware of 2 examples, the one that was posted on reddit and is now apparently being shipped to GamersNexus, and Der8auer, who didn't even notice pad discoloration (so may not have even been caused by an overcurrent event).

I wouldn't bet their "fast" response is due to them internally already knowing, so much as the PR hit from getting to the top of the PC enthusiast forums on reddit. None of the statements so far even suggest they've reproduced anything wrong, leaving vague statements of investigating it or adding more limitations in case that was an issue.

I remember a while ago something similar happened when someone read a lot into a comment into the open source AMD GPU driver as the "Shader Prefetch" feature of their GPUs was broken and disabled. AMD ended up having to issue a statement saying it's enabled and working where it benefits performance - and that shot to the top of those same forums and people "demanded" an explanation, and that was just an internal detail of hardware performance, not even a user-visible feature. To this day some commenters think the performance is somehow hobbled by this, so there may be more pressure to get faster responses.

I personally work on GPU drivers, AMD GPU drivers, but not on windows. I actively avoid commenting on things I have personal knowledge of, so I don't accidently leak something, but also because I see so much /wrong/ stuff repeated on the internet. In fact, I would say the majority of the specifics that are "generally accepted" on those subreddits are wrong to the point of being misleading. And a couple of times I've tried to question things I knew were incorrect I was heavily downvoted and dogpiled, so I gave up.

So while I have no direct knowledge of anything related to the CPU and it's power management, I'm trying to avoid Gell-Mann amnesia on "facts" repeated in those same subreddits.

So my current position is there may be an issue here, it may even be related to the SoC voltage regulation currently being blamed, but the "evidence" so far could also be caused by a thousand other things.

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by ChoGGi on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @04:27PM (#35719497)
In summary you're saying it's caused by GPU drivers.

/s

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by JimBo72 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @04:44PM (#35719739)
The four motherboard makers that have issued public press releases about revised firmware that is designed specifically to limit the SoC voltage to prevent failures would disagree with you here. If that isn't a public admission of this being the source of the failure, what is?
Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by iLoveOncall on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @04:53PM (#35719849)
Four motherboard makers jumping on the FUD train isn't proof of anything.
Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by JimBo72 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @10:59AM (#35729142)
AMD has now specified that the issue is SoC voltage in a follow up statement. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issues-follow-up-state...
Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by simplotek on Thursday April 27, 2023 @02:08PM (#35732227)
> The four motherboard makers that have issued public press releases about revised firmware that is designed specifically to limit the SoC voltage to prevent failures would disagree with you here.

What I'm seeing is four motherboard makers trying to win customers at the expense of ASUS by taking very public steps to state their product does not suffer from this issue unlike ASUS.

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by JimBo72 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @05:05PM (#35719990)
So your skepticism here and dismissal of public statements from the motherboard makers admitting fault has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you are an AMD employee?

Do you think that, maybe, being an AMD employee, just maybe, you might be a bit biased here?

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by kimixa on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @05:23PM (#35720214)
And I personally have an 8700k in my home machine.

I work in a large company, I'm not really involved with anything or anyone working on CPUs. I have no internal knowledge of anything in this area.

And I'm just pointing out how the statements of evidence presented here don't naturally lead to this conclusion as seem to be implied - not that this conclusion isn't correct, or some opinion about the quality of the hardware and software involved. I'm trying my best to not involve my opinion, and instead actually stick to the known facts. Which is my issue with this story as written.

I'm not sure if you're reading the same statements, but the ones I've seen explicitly don't admit fault.

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by JimBo72 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @09:22PM (#35722098)
You aren't acknowledging the fact that four ODMs have come forward and said they plan to limit the SoC voltages -- the very issue cited -- in future firmware revisions. They have communicated this through public statements that you or anyone else can read. They aren't changing these settings for their health, or taking the PR damage for no reason whatsoever. You appear to be a bit uninformed, but I think your affiliation with your company might have clouded your interest in actually studying the issues before you comment. Here are the statements:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/preventing-ryzen-burnout-m...

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by firstlink on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @08:23PM (#35721708)
> To this day some commenters think the performance is somehow hobbled by this

There will always be a sizeable subset of people who are utterly convinced that there is an evil cabal of developers who refuse to press the "go faster" button(s) out of personal malice.

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by tripdout on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @08:35PM (#35721795)
Personal malice, no.

Profit, maybe...?

Re:AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: Impacts all 7000 processors by socceroos on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @09:13PM (#35722044)
Why did AMDGPU drop support for Hawaii (eg 390) in newer kernel releases?