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Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:55AM (#35685962)
Vodaphone blocks this site for being “18+ content”, I guess because of “hacking” or something? There’s no explanation or option to report a false positive and they want you to put in credit card details to confirm your age to unlock it

(I don’t need tips to get around this or anything, I can just connect to another network or use a VPN)

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by bagder on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:57AM (#35685977)
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by mardifoufs on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:29AM (#35686247)
So it's been "on review" for more than a year now?! So the filter is basically unidirectional since they apparently don't care about false positives. I wonder who else uses that filter database provider
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by lutrinus on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:45AM (#35687575)
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by usr1106 on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:20AM (#35687998)
Oh, and Microsoft includes that adult software in their operating system. Can someone report to Vodafone that all Windows PCs must be blocked because they run adult content. Except for those who have deleted curl.exe of course...
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by madeofpalk on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:06AM (#35686052)
You can't just disable this 'feature' from Vodafone? I'm in the UK and my ISP doesn't do this.

I'm not sure why you would want your ISP interfering with your traffic like this. To me, it seems like a dealbreaker.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by concordDance on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:15AM (#35686113)
All UK ISPs do. It's very annoying trying to access sci-hub
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by vidarh on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:33AM (#35686294)
No, they don't all do that. Those kind of blocks are mostly confined to a handful of the larger ISPs, and especially the mobile providers. I've yet to manage to find something my current ISP blocks, for example. Might well be they block something, but none of the "usual suspects" that I'm willing to test (e.g. Pirate Bay, Sci Hub)
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by petecooper on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:32AM (#35686285)
>All UK ISPs do.

Not all of them. I’m on Zen, no filters as far as I’m aware, sci-hub works fine. Libgen is fine. Torrent sites that the ‘main’ ISPs block come up just fine, too.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by rjsw on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:34AM (#35686303)
Andrews and Arnold doesn't do any filtering.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by daveoc64 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:52AM (#35686456)
All of the major ISPs and mobile networks do.

The UK government threatened to make it a legal requirement that all internet connections have filters for adult content on by default.

The major ISPs and mobile networks voluntarily put filtering in place by default to avoid the regulation.

The filters can usually be removed quite easily.

While there are some smaller ISPs that don't put filtering in place, they account for something like < 10% of the market.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:13AM (#35686097)
I can if I put in bank card details to confirm my age but it would be better if this didn’t happen in the first place unless there’s actually something 18+ on the site
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Reason077 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:28AM (#35686807)
> "You can't just disable this 'feature' from Vodafone? I'm in the UK and my ISP doesn't do this."

Yes, you can disable it quite easily. Usually by entering a credit card number in their app or website to prove you're 18, or alternatively by contacting their customer service chat.

But of course, only pervs who want to access porn would do that, right?

In my experience it's a good idea to disable it regardless, it as there are often a lot of "false positives", and the filtering can sometimes cause performance problems. (Unless you've got kids and really do want to block porn, but eventually they're gong to discover VPNs...)

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by madeofpalk on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:09AM (#35687206)
> But of course, only pervs who want to access porn would do that, right?

No? Why would you say this? I disabled this back with my old carrier and it was pretty painless - I don't recall there being any stigma attatched to turning off the filters. I've since moved carriers and I don't remember having to disable filters - maybe I did or maybe something about signing up turned it off?

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by doublerabbit on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:42AM (#35688247)
I'm on EE PAYG. I have to go in to a store and show them my ID if I wish to remove content protection. I can't even visit webarchive pages with it enabled.

Painless based on provider, otherwise what described above is a pain.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by madeofpalk on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:11AM (#35688605)
All I can tell you is the experience I had, which I don't remember to be a pain.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by pantalaimon on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:08AM (#35688561)
Can you make a contract with an ISP in the UK when you are under 18?
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Reason077 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:15AM (#35688669)
You presumably can't get a contract if you're under 18 because that would usually mean a credit check. But you can certainly get an account, on PAYG or pre-paid monthly direct debit that is not subject to contract. Some providers have "UK residents 18+ only" in their terms but others do not.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by stametseater on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:03PM (#35689349)
> But of course, only pervs who want to access porn would do that, right?

Are people actually afraid of some stranger call-center worker silently judging them, but not even saying anything out-loud about it because the call is recorded and they'd be fired if they tried to actually shame you?

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by kypro on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:03AM (#35686012)
Probably the xx in the domain.

In the UK where 20% of the internet is blocked – it's surprising you haven't experienced this before. Call your service provider and tell them you want access to adult material.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by vidarh on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:26AM (#35686229)
> In the UK where 20% of the internet is blocked

This sounds like an extreme over-estimate. Some ISP's, mostly mobile ones, default to blocking "adult material" unless you tell them to turn that off. Some of the larger ISPs are under court order to block some specific other content (Pirate Bay in particular; my old ISP was one of them, my current ISP happily lets me access it, not that I've ever done so other than to see if it's blocked).

Most ISPs block at most a tiny set of sites and personally in 23 years of using UK ISPs I've never "organically" run into those blocks (as in, no site I actually had any interest in accessing has been blocked; I've only seen them when checking whether people were right that a specific site was blocked). And yes, that includes visiting sites with "adult material" without running into any blocks.

I do have a VPN, so it'd take me as long to bypass as it takes me to press one button in my browser address bar, but I only need that to evade IP region/country blocks - never needed it to get around UK filtering.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Karellen on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:20AM (#35686160)
> Probably the xx in the domain.

According to the `considered-18` post linked by a sibling comment:

> It shows that this filter is for this specific host name only [daniel.haxx.se], not for the entire haxx.se domain.

So, even more of a WTF.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by techwiz137 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:35AM (#35686862)
Someone probably saw daniel, ha, xxx interpreted it "It's me Daniel, ha, this is my porn collection" and flagged it.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by aflag on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:35AM (#35686313)
> Call your service provider and tell them you want access to adult material.

That must be one awkward call.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by regularfry on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:51AM (#35687027)
They overblock, probably intentionally, so it's easy to find a "legit" reason to unblock. It was something really banal for me - I think they'd blocked a furniture site or something.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by viraptor on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:41AM (#35689041)
Accessing adult material is a legit reason to unblock.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by regularfry on Monday April 24, 2023 @04:30PM (#35692776)
Buying furniture is a very adult proposition.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by prmoustache on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @10:27AM (#35700978)
Why? They already know a large number of people watch porn.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by aflag on Friday April 28, 2023 @10:12AM (#35741475)
We pretend no one does, though.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:07AM (#35686056)
> In the UK where 20% of the internet is blocked

That’s not true. I’ve experienced this once before that I can remember, on https://hackmii.com/ and it doesn’t happen on my home network except on actual scam sites which isn’t a government thing but an ISP feature that can probably be turned off. This is a Vodaphone thing, not a UK thing.

I don’t care that much about this specific site, I guess I just want to complain that they don’t have a way to report false positives which maybe isn’t the best reason to post a comment on an unrelated article but still

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by jojobas on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:20AM (#35686162)
Obligatory oi/porn license.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by bin_bash on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:27AM (#35686784)
he says in the article they only block "daniel.haxx.se", not other subdomains
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by rob74 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:39AM (#35686904)
Try this one: https://www.xxxlutz.at/ (don't worry, it's an Austrian furniture chain).
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:51AM (#35687028)
That’s not blocked
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:53AM (#35687053)
Wait, but the site in the article isn’t either any more?
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Joeboy on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:59AM (#35687120)
I'm not aware of anything being blocked by my current ISP. I've previously had an ISP that blocked The Pirate Bay, and I've experienced over-zealous corporate firewalls at work, but that's the only blocking I've noticed. Obviously I don't know what I don't know though.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Quarrel on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:06AM (#35687172)
My ISP in the UK does not block anything.

Even on those that do, 20% seems rather high??

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Freak_NL on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:58AM (#35685982)
Two xx's. That's almost as bad as three, and surely heuristically naughty.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by mysterydip on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:09AM (#35686071)
"heuristically naughty" may be my new favorite phrase.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by saalweachter on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:00AM (#35686531)
I once (early 2000's, comparison shopping) used a heuristic that any video with a volume # greater than 7 was probably porn.

Doesn't work as well today, but there were surprisingly few false positives at the time.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:08AM (#35686061)
It could also be to do with the word “hack” because https://hackmii.com/ is blocked too
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by version_five on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:32AM (#35686290)
Good thing there is no shake shack in the UK.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by daveoc64 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:57AM (#35686496)
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by janstice on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:43AM (#35686940)
And yet there is a town called Scunthorpe - I wonder if the inhabitants have trouble getting things delivered?
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by vidarh on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:52AM (#35687653)
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by denton-scratch on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:56AM (#35687706)
At one time, a lot of email spam filters would barf on that town's name.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Waterluvian on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:21AM (#35686164)
Wow. I’ve never seen this class of ISP censorship. Is this some sort of government mandated system or has Vodaphone taken it upon themselves to do this?
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by daveoc64 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:58AM (#35686508)
The UK government told ISPs to put the filtering in place voluntarily, or else the government would make a law requiring it.

All of the major ISPs and mobile networks now do it on a voluntary basis.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Joker_vD on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:27AM (#35688085)
It's pretty amazing that executive branch can enforce not just unimplemented but even undrafted laws.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by ThePowerOfFuet on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:59AM (#35685992)
>(I don’t need tips to get around this or anything, I can just connect to another network or use a VPN)

A better solution would be to tell Vodafone to switch off the censorship on your service.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by autoexec on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:28AM (#35686241)
The best solution would be the remove whatever stupid law allowed for that kind of censorship in the first place. As a bonus, if the UK puts up a better fight against this stuff it'll make it harder for it spread. Any nation where people have a vote should be strongly rejecting that crap.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by oneeyedpigeon on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:42AM (#35686372)
I'm happy for an ISP to be allowed to carry out as much censorship as it wants, provided it makes that known. They definitely shouldn't be forced to, though — in the general case — and I don't think anyone's demonstrated that they have been so in this case.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by autoexec on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:31AM (#35686826)
> I'm happy for an ISP to be allowed to carry out as much censorship as it wants, provided it makes that known.

Knowing about it won't help you if every internet option you have is doing the same thing.

Where I live, we have laws that prevent people from interfering with the mail. If I send a letter to someone, once it's accepted the mail carriers can't generally take it and make demands before they deliver it or open my letter and remove or change whatever words/pages they feel like before completing delivery.

I think the internet should be treated the same. Beyond some basic QOS ISPs should be dumb pipes and be mostly forbidden from messing with things you send/receive over the connection.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by oneeyedpigeon on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:48AM (#35686997)
I think there's a reasonable need for an ISP to act as a censor, if that's what its customers require. Hopefully, enough people want a censorship-free experience that every provider becoming a censor is unlikely to happen.

If your mail service had a "make sure mail from known pornographers doesn't get delivered to my house" option, and you had kids at home, you might well opt for it.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by autoexec on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:48PM (#35691524)
If someone wants to block certain sites there are client-based solutions that people can set up themselves and proxies they can use if they really want to depend on someone else to decide what they should be allowed to see. There's no need for it at the ISP level. At the very least it should be opt in, but something you have to ask to have removed.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:54AM (#35687068)
I think this is a reasonable thing for Vodaphone to do, they just need a way to report false positives
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by Joker_vD on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:30AM (#35688113)
Apparently, judging from the sibling comments, such law doesn't even exist: the UK government "advised" the ISPs to "voluntarily" adopt such censorship on their own, or else the government would actually bother to draft and pass such a law.
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by newswasboring on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:11AM (#35686634)
> There’s no explanation or option to report a false positive and they want you to put in credit card details to confirm your age to unlock it

Are we even sure this is vodaphone? This sounds so much like a scam pop up ad.

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:10PM (#35689467)
Yes, it’s definitely Vodaphone, they want you to go to their settings page to do it and it’s not a pop up
Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by circuit10 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:56AM (#35687094)
The site seems to not be blocked any more, did someone contact them about it or something?

I would have edited this in to my original comment but it won’t let me any more

Re:Deleting System32\curl.exe by benj111 on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:41AM (#35687527)
I always turn the filters off, prior to that I couldn't even visit the Ubuntu forums.