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Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by eimrine on Sunday April 23, 2023 @01:23AM (#35673529)
> It wasn't normal to install arbitrary applications on the computers in your fridge, dishwasher, game consoles, flip phones, washing machines, etc.

You just use these words wrong. Let me correct you: fridge, dishwasher, washing mashine -> ARM; flip phone -> J2ME; game consoles -> x86 (probably);

Now your sentence sounds like a bullshit which in fact it is: "it wasn't normal to install arbitrary applications on ARM, J2ME virtual machine, x86, etc". Stop speaking like that please.

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by icehawk on Sunday April 23, 2023 @01:43AM (#35673626)
Which ARM computers where you installing arbitrary applications on?

What flip phones? They were all locked down on the carrier side.

You're still not installing arbitrary applications on game consoles even now that they're running x86.

Stop speaking like that please.

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by userbinator on Sunday April 23, 2023 @02:51AM (#35673977)
What flip phones? They were all locked down on the carrier side.

You seem to have missed the, admittedly brief, period where Java games on phones were extremely commonplace.

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by simondotau on Sunday April 23, 2023 @07:53AM (#35675459)
If you think they were "extremely commonplace", you were living in a mid-2000s tech bubble. At best they were kinda commonplace among a narrow set of people who gave a shit, knew it was possible, happened to have devices which supported these games, happened to have a revision of the device which wasn't locked down by the carrier, and who had the time and patience to tinker with such unusable junk.

If more than 1 percent of Java-capable handsets ever had third party software downloaded onto them post-purchase, I'd eat my hat.

I wonder if even 1 percent of iPhones manage to get used without ever having at least one app installed from the App Store.

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by userbinator on Sunday April 23, 2023 @08:03PM (#35682053)
happened to have a revision of the device which wasn't locked down by the carrier

In many countries, including China, all phones are unlocked by default.

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by simondotau on Sunday April 23, 2023 @08:46PM (#35682360)
Just because a phone is "unlocked" doesn't mean it's feature complete, or there's any mechanism to use the features which haven't been blocked by a carrier.
Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by wiseowise on Sunday April 23, 2023 @05:34AM (#35674755)
> What flip phones? They were all locked down on the carrier side.

You know, like things that were before iPhone and Android? That were running J2ME? Jar files?

Re:iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe by simondotau on Sunday April 23, 2023 @01:58AM (#35673702)
You can’t (officially) install arbitrary software on a PlayStation. Explain how describing a PlayStation as “x86” is in any way relevant to anything anyone was talking about.

Your response sounds like a bullshit which, in my opinion, it is. Stop speaking like that please.