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Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by bragr on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:26AM (#35639581)
That's a specious argument, because the choice could be between logging your traffic and being forced to shutdown under some kind of Swedish NSL, or forced to keep operating and logging even if they want to shut down. Not saying this is what happened, just that your reasoning doesn't really hold. Hell it's entirely possible Mullvad is a honeypot operated by some foreign intelligence service.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by nabla9 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:13AM (#35640263)
There is no such laws in Sweden.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by bragr on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:21AM (#35640434)
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by SiempreViernes on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:48AM (#35640931)
What do you mean? Lag 2008:717 does not contain any provisions about forcing companies to log or store data.

Rättegångsbalken does have a provision that a prosecutor can order you to preserve information you already have saved for a maximum of 180 days (https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K27P16S1). I can't find anything about what the punishment for ignoring such an order would be, but to say a company could be forced to keep operating seems extraordinarily unfounded.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by bragr on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:10AM (#35641317)
Try this one [1] which contains an obligation for operators to comply and maintain secrecy. I'm not a lawyer, and definitely not a swedish lawyer, but my point is, despite baked in protections, like most countries, Sweden seems to have a robust set of overlapping national security and surveillance laws.

[1] https://lagen.nu/prop/2006/07:63

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by hnarn on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:39AM (#35641760)
Mullvad is not an operator, and you’re moving the goal posts.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by SiempreViernes on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:31AM (#35651130)
When you try to argue something is law, please have the decency to link to the actual law, you have linked a proposal and not the law as accepted by parliament.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by teaearlgraycold on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:39AM (#35641758)
> being forced to shutdown under some kind of Swedish NSL

Given Mullvad I think they'd rather shut down.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by hnarn on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:40AM (#35641782)
> it's entirely possible Mullvad is a honeypot operated by some foreign intelligence service.

“Entirely” possible? Sure, I guess it’s “entirely” possible that the NSA is actually controlled by a reptilian, illuminati cabal of extraterrestrials, while we’re just making stuff up without any factual basis whatsoever.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by stametseater on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:53AM (#35641992)
Bad faith responses like this lashing out at people like bragr make me even more suspicious. You know damn well, or should know, that companies secretly being owned by intelligence agencies is something that has happened before and could happen again. Meanwhile there is no evidence at all for reptilian ETs ever existing.

And furthermore, I am sure you know that when dealing with matters of security, it pays to exercise precaution and be wary of scenarios you cannot prove to be happening at the moment. E.g., you don't know your new friend you met at the bus stop is secret police, an informant for the Vichy government, but until you're damn sure he isn't then you don't let him know the location of your resistance safehouse. You don't need to have proof that your new friend has done anything wrong to be cautious of that possibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by blargpls on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:25PM (#35644957)
See Crypto AG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG) for a company in the cryptography / privacy industry that was owned by intelligence services.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by vorpalhex on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:55AM (#35642027)
It's possible you're in a coma and everything you're experiencing is a terribly detailed dream.

It's not very likely though.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by TJSomething on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:03PM (#35642129)
That one's pretty easy to disprove though. Just have a computer solve a random NP-complete problem and then verify it by hand.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by gala8y on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:15PM (#35642271)
Can you, please, explain?
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:33PM (#35642511)
We're assuming in this scenario that your memory is still basically functional, so the math on a sheet of paper won't be replaced suddenly without you noticing.

If you can't even remember things in the medium term that's a level beyond "trapped in a dream" that's much more hopeless.

So, with that assumption, you make a computer solve a problem that's impossible for a human to work through in a practical amount of time. And then you verify it got the right answer. This proves the math wasn't done by your dreaming brain. (At least it proves it to a pretty good certainty, and you can repeat the test.)

Many NP-complete problems are good candidates here for slow solutions and fast verifications.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by tadfisher on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:49PM (#35642745)
This assumes the dreamer is a human brain.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by therein on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:58PM (#35643727)
Yeah I kept thinking about simulation stuff too but GP's method is a good one for being trapped in one's own mind situation.

Also for situations that have the standard dream level of fidelity, you can try basic reality checks like putting your finger through your hand or more conspicuously spinning along your own axis.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by jonas21 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:53PM (#35642798)
At least in my dreams, nonsensical things happen all the time, but within the dream seem completely reasonable.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:07PM (#35643007)
It's not so bad to miss a hundred signs if you have a reliable test to try.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by gala8y on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:47AM (#35653670)
Thanks, I will try to understand it, but I need to read some stuff beforehand, I guess.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by psychphysic on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:15PM (#35642273)
How would this work?
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by stametseater on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:16PM (#35642296)
Read a page of text, then read it again to see if it changed. This test never seems to fail, at least in the sort of dreams I can remember having after waking up. Usually I can't read at all in dreams, and when I can, the text is different every time I read it.
Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by JohnFen on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:47PM (#35642717)
> Usually I can't read at all in dreams

I thought this was just me! There have been times when I've "read" in dreams (signs, usually), but I don't actually visualize the words. I just "know" what they say.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by RomanPushkin on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:18PM (#35643163)
> not very likely

I would even say "highly unlikely". I revisited how I understand "unlikely" after reading this:

> Radioactive capsule that fell off truck found in Australia... Radiation Services WA general manager Lauren Steen describing it as a "highly unlikely" scenario.

Re:Mullvad VPN was subject to a search warrant by nicce on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:46PM (#35643560)
Law enforcements could force Mullvad to start logging some specific account if they manage to indentify the account.

Service might not collect data but they could be forced with warrant to start doing so for specific entities.

This has happened in Finland, for example.