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Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by adamors on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:05AM (#35553653)
What other company has a literal graveyard of products? https://killedbygoogle.com
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by rippercushions on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:27AM (#35553812)
This exists: https://killedbymicrosoft.info/

But if you search for "killed by Amazon", you get back news articles about people actually dying in its warehouses.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/17/amazon-wa...

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by apocalyptic0n3 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:53AM (#35556398)
Looking at the Microsoft link, the big difference seems to be age and relevance.

1. Skype for Business - 18 years old. Upgrade path to Microsoft Teams

2. Windows Server Essentials - 26 years old. Unsure how relevant this is today with everything going cloud-based

3. Atom - Wasn't originally a Microsoft product and they maintained it despite there already being a better Microsoft alternative for longer than expected. Also 9 years old 4. Internet Explorer - 27 years old and a clear upgrade path was available

5. Forza Street - F2P racing game. Can't excuse this one

6. Microsoft Academic - No excuse, however the data had an open license and migrated elsewhere

7. Channel 9 - 17 years old

8. Silverlight - 16 years old and the web had evolved beyond it long ago

Microsoft has killed 13 products since 2021 and many of them had simply run their course. Comparatively, Google has killed 57 products in that same time frame. Most of them are under 10 years old, many of them under 5. Many of them had not run their course and almost all of them had no clear upgrade or migration path.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsnell on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:22AM (#35553781)
Amazon and Microsoft would have graveyeards just as large, if compiled via the same criteria. You know all that shit Google gets about chat apps? Microsoft has also launched and killed more than a dozen of them. Jeff Bezos used to brag about how many failed products they launched and killed.

So it comes back to the question that ed_mercer had: why is there such a double standard? Why does somebody obsessively maintain that site, and why does a large part of the HN audience love spamming "when will Google cancel search lol" into any discussion about Google, when Amazon putting two bullets into the neck of yet another product goes unnoticed?

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:29AM (#35553827)
> Microsoft has also launched and killed more than a dozen of them

Microsoft is religious about maintaining backward compatibility and support. They also have some concept of service, which makes cancellations smoother. (All this makes product development aware of the costs of abandonment. Google doesn’t have that in its culture, and it’s a constant problem with hiring from them now.)

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by Dalewyn on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:56AM (#35554062)
I think this is what makes the receptions between Microsoft and Google's axings different, the former at least tries to axe things with some cushioning while Google just offs things like it's Tuesday.
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by pjmlp on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:48AM (#35554569)
Mostly, they really messed up in Win32 => WinRT => UAP => UWP => WinUI 3.0, and .NET Framework to .NET Core, to the point .NET Framework is the "Python 2" of Microsoft's ecosystems, and no one besides WinDev themselves takes WinUI/WinAppSDK seriously.
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by barneygale on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:08AM (#35554168)
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by Ensorceled on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:20AM (#35554287)
Why are you and ed_mercer so intent on defending Google here? I mean I HATE Microsoft and I have to admit they do a much better job of handling product shutdowns than Google.

Microsoft tells you the dog is going to "Aunt Joy Ann's farm" and gives you a puppy.

Google blasts the dog right in front of you and leaves you to bury the poor thing.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsnell on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:51AM (#35554620)
My claim is just that they're not actually exceptional in how many products they cancel or how they cancel them. If the HN community realized that, then we'd get fewer low-quality submissions like this, and fewer low-quality comments in any Google article. That'd make HN a better place.

Which of the "products" on _this list_ was shut down badly, in comparison to what MS would do? Not products on some other list, but this list that's at the top of the front page.

Code Jam was not a product. Stadia refunded all purchases. Street View is still accessible from the Maps app, this is just removing some ancient standalone app that nobody had heard of. Currents and the wifi routers had long deprecation cycles. I bet nobody here knows anything about the wearable computing stuff or how it was shut down.

If these are all products that were reasonable to shut down, and were shut down reasonably well, then what's newsworthy about this?

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 13, 2023 @09:25AM (#35555077)
> and were shut down reasonably well

Nobody who developed for Stadia thinks this. And this is far from a HN view—it regularly comes up at conferences for financial types.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsnell on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:42AM (#35556228)
People who developed for Stadia mainly did so because Google paid them outrageous amounts of money for ports, not because users they were making a lot of money buying games.

If there were no users buying games, shutting it down would not have had any meaningful impact on the developers.

How do you think they should have done it instead? What would have changed for those developers when done your way?

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:09AM (#35556651)
> How do you think they should have done it instead?

Launched it as a start-up with unfair access to Google's resources. There was no way for it to work under Google's aegis.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsnell on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:13AM (#35556718)
I mean the shutdown.

Obviously it was not a well launched product, but that's what you get when you hire Phil Harrison.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:22AM (#35556867)
> it was not a well launched product

I'm broadly criticizing Google's ability to launch and maintain products. Launching fucked products falls under this umbrella. The point is betting on Google with your own resources is a bad idea.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsnell on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:25PM (#35562269)
Ok. When you replied to a message about whether the product shutdowns were handled well, quoted specifically the"were shut down reasonably well" text, and offered Stadia as a counter-example, I thought you were in fact claiming that Stadia was not shut down well.

My apologies, I should have realized you were not actually replying to that point in any way and just making another generic "Google cancel everything lol" argument.

Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by belter on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:27AM (#35553817)
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by izacus on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:07AM (#35553672)
Pretty much every single corporation of that size and age. And many startups too (they call it "pivoting" though - it's not like startup workers complaining over Google here are first in line to maintain failing products forever).
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by jsheard on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:58AM (#35554079)
That site really stretches the definition of killed sometimes, like "Backup and Sync" (the old desktop Google Drive client) is on there because it was renamed to "Google Drive for desktop" as part of a redesign. The product which allows you to sync Google Drive with your computer still exists, but because it's no longer called "Backup and Sync" it gets counted as a killed product.
Re:Google's 2023 Shutdown Spree: 6 Products Pulled in Just 4... by GuB-42 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @12:41PM (#35558221)
Microsoft has already been mentioned but Mozilla also has quite a significant graveyard for its size.

https://killedbymozilla.com/