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Re:I’ve been single all my life by amelius on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:06PM (#35548308)
> "Introversion is the state of primarily obtaining gratification from one's own mental life".

If this is true, then why do we find so many introverts in online forums?

Re:I’ve been single all my life by DoreenMichele on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:39PM (#35548668)
At the risk of everyone wanting my head on a pike:

A. We don't really know what introversion and extrovsion are.

B. The higher the IQ, the more likely they are to qualify for the label "introvert."

So in at least some cases, it's possible smart people just give up on trying to connect socially because they get a lot of negative feedback from other people and it's mostly downside for them, so they stop bothering.

Most people marry people within about 10 IQ points of themselves. If you are "introverted" because talking at most people is an extremely negative experience due to you having a high IQ, it's not unrealistic to shoot for finding a means to connect with someone of similar IQ in hopes of establishinga relationship. If your IQ is high enough, odds are good they will also be labeled "an introvert" by the world.

Please note this is not saying "introversion indicates high IQ." That's not what it says at all.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by hgsgm on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:12PM (#35548997)
I suspect introversion is correlated with my IQ because high IQ people enjoy thinking, and thinking is easier when you're by yourself without distractions.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by DoreenMichele on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:20PM (#35549065)
I think it's more complicated than that.

I did volunteer work eons ago for tagfam.org and I test as a middle-of-the-road extrovert but spend a lot of time in geeky circles where most people are basically painfully shy and many people interpret my middle-of-the-road extroversion as "God, what a ridiculous attention monger!!!!!"

I've gotten enough negative feedback over it, I spend less time on forums than I used to. I'm not an introvert but even I eventually give up on bothering if it's mostly downside.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by User23 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:02PM (#35549456)
It can be isolating when one has thoughts and ideas that the people around one simply cannot follow or understand.

Of course it’s also often the case that introverts are simply low social status and thus find social interaction generally unrewarding. In that case pretensions of high intelligence are usually just a coping mechanism.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by supriyo-biswas on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:53AM (#35552741)
You can also just be labeled as a weirdo and become the target of bullying for sharing your ideas which aren’t well understood by your peers, and therefore you just keep your mouth shut and become an introvert.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:37PM (#35550183)
I really think this nails it.

My completely unscientific experience (n=1) of having a major mental health breakthrough and “becoming” and extrovert after years testing as an introvert tells me a few things.

1. For a variety of reasons, some people have extreme difficulty making mutually supportive connections and/or have no service familial attachments

2. There are compensating structures in the form of small safe groups that are lower risk or share a common yet outsider connection (obscure music, complex systems, historical or obsolete collections etc…) that lend themselves to a different “pace.”

3. In some cases, a combination of factors, mental health issues, lifestyle and life issues etc… mask a self love that can represent as something shameful in being expressive and thus after perceived or real rejection or failure many people just give up trying to put the effort in and become comfortable in that lifestyle.

That’s in the best case however, and assumes you can find an affinity group. Unfortunately it’s getting harder to get people together cause everyone’s just trying to survive they don’t feel like they have time to spend building community.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by DoreenMichele on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:53PM (#35550307)
I knew someone with a very high IQ who was an extrovert and became an introvert after an abusive middle school experience.

I also know of a case of a bright child who consciously chose to stop playing to the crowd after they started school because it didn't go good places.

People act like extroversion and introversion are some kind of hard wired internal set point and seem oblivious to the myriad ways humans get taught to be one thing or another and that some people change in reaction to outside influences.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by rawgabbit on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:07PM (#35550407)
My personal anecdote is when I was younger. I took things very seriously. I took people very seriously. I came off as a smart ass.

Later I learned if I want to be part of the party. I needed to check my brain in a lock box and not let it out until the social event is over. A social event is about meeting people and good feelings.

Bitcoin. Investing in Beanie Babies. Selling your house and becoming a digital nomad? That’s wonderful. You are living the dream. Other platitudes.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by sage76 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @06:00PM (#35562693)
I never know what to take seriously and what not to.

I used to take it all seriously, and that didn't work.

So I don't take anything seriously, and I lose interest.

I have not figured out any balance whatsoever. I don't know how to "shoot the shit" anymore.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by rawgabbit on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:48PM (#35564215)
Awesome. Sums up my life perfectly.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by BrandoElFollito on Thursday April 13, 2023 @06:17AM (#35553326)
Do you have any stats for the IQ part?

Another aspect is that the IQ grades a very specific set of capabilities. I usually get a result between an armchair and a fly (I am not particularly proud of that, but it does not exactly reflects my capcities :))

It may be tha introvert people, rather calm in their heads, are better at analyzing the patterns you typically find in these tests (wildly guessing)

Re:I’ve been single all my life by DoreenMichele on Thursday April 13, 2023 @06:25AM (#35553365)
Do you have any stats for the IQ part?

A search gets me this:

However, while introverts are a minority group in society, they form the majority of gifted people. Moreover, it appears that introversion increases with intelligence so that more than 75% of people with an IQ above 160 are introverted.

https://highability.org/the-gifted-introvert/

My understanding of that comes from when I was involved with gifted organizations online.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by bayindirh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:10PM (#35548346)
Being an introvert doesn’t mean they don’t like to share or communicate. It means they don’t crave real world human interaction as much.

I’m also an introvert. I like to communicate at my own pace. Online forums allows me to do that. I can leisurely check for progress on the discussion where I participate, or don’t check at all, after adding my two cents.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by nitwit005 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:42PM (#35548715)
You can find streamers who will talk about difficulties going outside due to social anxiety problems, and yet are broadcasting themselves live. It's enough of a barrier for them somehow.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by misssocrates on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:58PM (#35549423)
How? What's their technique for overcoming the anxiety with a live stream audience?
Re:I’ve been single all my life by xena on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:41AM (#35552660)
None of the audience members are in the same room. They're just words on a screen. It's not as "real" in comparison.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by the_gipsy on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:08AM (#35552854)
Maybe they didn't overcome anything, there are just different sources of anxiety.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by red-iron-pine on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:04AM (#35555634)
There is no control outside; via the stream they control visibility, access, set, and setting. Streams are also heavily one-sided; nothing to throw you off.

The technique is to control everything, basically.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by watwut on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:40AM (#35554482)
Social anxiety are two different things. Much different, you can have social anxiety and be extrovert. Or be introvert and have none.
Re:I’ve been single all my life by randomdata on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:13PM (#35549014)
No doubt because forums are entirely about the individual. The prompts that spark one’s own mental state may technically come from other humans, but that is ultimately immaterial. If those prompts were generated by some kind of GPT-like model nothing would change. For all I know you are a GPT model, but it matters not. The entertainment derived from writing this comment is the same.

Interaction with real people is a shared experience; something very different.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by layoff_payoff on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:56PM (#35549862)
> If this is true, then why do we find so many introverts in online forums?

I find writing is more cerebral than verbalizing. I can take an idea, interrogate it before putting it in writing - and then read, edit and re-read it before posting.

Also - have you considered the number of introverts not posting in online forums vs those who do?

Re:I’ve been single all my life by throwaway290 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @12:27AM (#35550952)
Because mental life is impossible in a vacuum, you are nothing without others even if you are an introvert...
Re:I’ve been single all my life by NoboruWataya on Thursday April 13, 2023 @03:07AM (#35552067)
I think it's because forums are asynchronous and low-commitment. If you find a conversation tedious you can just not reply. Harder to do when you're involved in an in-person conversation with someone.

The cited definition from Wikipedia is rather vague and I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. I've always understood introversion vs extraversion as being about where you derive social energy, rather than gratification. I consider myself an introvert. A weekend spent socialising with friends is very gratifying to me, but it is also exhausting, and I am likely to want to spend the next weekend chilling on my own.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by vjerancrnjak on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:12AM (#35552457)
That sentence does sound weird.

Obtaining gratification from one's own mental life in a significant way, that you do not desire to communicate with others, or that you only like communicating through text where you are free to imagine the personalities of the people you're chatting with, should mean one probably suffers from a personality disorder (paranoid, schizoid, schizotypal etc.).

If you were to have a partner where you still primarily obtain gratification from your own mental life, I can't imagine how this partner could feel any love from you, if your priority is to be alone with your dreams most of the time.

Re:I’ve been single all my life by shrimp_emoji on Thursday April 13, 2023 @09:28AM (#35555120)
> should mean one probably suffers from a personality disorder (paranoid, schizoid, schizotypal etc.).

It does not.

> If you were to have a partner where you still primarily obtain gratification from your own mental life, I can't imagine how this partner could feel any love from you, if your priority is to be alone with your dreams most of the time.

Exactly ;)