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Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by extr on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:22AM (#35491014)
I've run out of the mental energy to give Musk the benefit of the doubt. His capricious and poor decision-making is ruining one of my favorite products day and day. It's so frustrating to watch, a complete train wreck in slow motion. I'm simultaneously beyond caring and unable to ignore it at this point.
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by hinkley on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:28AM (#35491045)
I had a coworker who would have anger lines come out of his skull if you said Musk had anything to do with PayPal success. It was like Barney Stinson talking about Ralph Macchio.

Then Tesla and SpaceX happened and I was like, “hmm, maybe he was wrong” and then Twitter happened and I’m thinking, “no, I get it now”.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by NhanH on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:58AM (#35491183)
Recently, I have a theory that Musk is a politician, not an entrepreneur. It just so happened that he wasn't born in the US to formally pursuit the politician career (yes, I know that President is nominally the only office limited to US-born citizen. That isn't the point, it's still vastly harder to be a high ranking politician without being born in the country)

From that viewpoint, it makes sense as to how he could be successful in some venture and not so in others. The hypothesis would mean that he's very good at organizing, dealing with bureaucracy, doing PR etc. Not so much at actually building things, designing, engineering, or basically building consumer business.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by zarzavat on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:08AM (#35491752)
I have the opposite view. Musk is a fantastic engineer, but a terrible politician. He’s the kind of man who starts a rocket company and knows exactly how everything on the rocket works, but then impulsively smokes a joint on a podcast and risks his security clearance and defense funding to said rocket company.

Musk has no political sense whatsoever, he’s far too impulsive. But the impulsiveness does make headlines which people mistake as media savvy.

That’s how he got himself into this mess in the first place. Musk impulsively decided to offer to buy Twitter with no due diligence, then sensibly tried to back out when he came to his senses (helped a bit by the Fed), but was forced to purchase it anyway. Of course it’s a disaster. He bought it on a whim and has no idea how to run a social media company.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by baxtr on Saturday April 08, 2023 @09:41AM (#35492994)
Same could be said easily about Trump…
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by AbrahamParangi on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:06AM (#35493256)
The difference between Elon and Trump is that when Trump gets in trouble it’s for something reprehensible that his supporters like.

When Elon gets in trouble it’s for something that nobody supports (like calling that guy a pedo), and his supporters just sort of feel bad about.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by BulgarianIdiot on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:50PM (#35495825)
His approach to refactoring Twitter, I mean in terms of org structure, culture, and the code itself... is frankly giving me a zero engineering intuition impression.

Also he didn't design the SpaceX rocket. He had a hand in the first prototype, which crash and burned. Literally. That's his contribution in terms of engineering.

His overall contribution is PR and attracting capital. That's really it. I'd say sits closer to a politician.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by pavel_lishin on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:22AM (#35493397)
I think Musk is a celebrity, not a politician or an engineer or an entrepreneur.

Politicians have to answer to their constituents, engineers have to answer to the laws of physics, and entrepreneurs have to answer to the laws of economics.

Celebrities are beholden to nothing but marketing, and until recently, Musk (or someone on his team) has been doing a pretty good job of selling his image.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by mtzet on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:02AM (#35491204)
As someone who knows nothing at all about the success of PayPal, can you elaborate on why?

I'm also curious about his role in the success of Tesla and SpaceX. I personally find those to be two of the most interesting startups in a long while, and have been inclined to think that Musk being involved in both to be unlikely to be a coincidence.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by bostik on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:08AM (#35491749)
At least in the book, PayPal Wars, there is a notion that Musk effectively bought his way in to PayPal. He was running a competing payment service, named "X" or something like that. PayPal had better mindshare and tight eBay integration. Competition was intense.

So the two companies merged, and focused on just one brand: PayPal's. Reading between the lines, it wasn't an easy marriage.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by tim333 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:23AM (#35492558)
The Book Founders at Work's first chapter is about Max Levchin at PayPal. One paragraph

>We had this merger with a company called X.com. It was a bit of a tough merger because the companies were really competitive — we were two large competitors in the same market. For a while, Peter took some time off. The guy who ran X.com [Musk] became the CEO, and I remained the CTO. He was really into Windows, and I was really into Unix. So there was this bad blood for a while between the engineering teams. He was convinced that Windows was where it's at and that we have to switch to Windows, but the platform that we used was, I thought, built really well and I wanted to keep it. I wanted to stay on Unix.

And eventually to stop Musk breaking the thing by rewriting it for windows at a time they were very busy fighting fraud on the network, Peter Thiel kicked him out as CEO.

>...I was like,"You gotta go,man."My whole argument to him was, "We can't switch to Windows now. This fraud thing is most important to the company. You can't allow any additional changes. It's one of these things where you want to change one big thing at a time, and the fraud is a pretty big thing. So introducing a new platform or doing anything major—you just don't want to do it right now." That was sort of the trigger for a fairly substantial conflict that resulted in him leaving and Peter coming back and me taking over fraud.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by DoreenMichele on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:34AM (#35491077)
His capricious and poor decision-making

I'm not waiting for Twitter to die. I'm waiting for Musk to turn up mysteriously and unexpectedly dead and the autopsy to reveal undiagnosed brain cancer or something like that.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by HopenHeyHi on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:41AM (#35491111)

  This is the last straw. I give up. You can find a link to my new Mastodon profile on my site.
https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168

Heh. Y'all are hilarious.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by maxbond on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:56AM (#35491172)
This is the moral equivalent of telling people to stop hitting themselves. Musk starts damaging something people care for very much (people found friendship and community on Twitter and it became a big part of their lives), they get upset about it, and the fact that they are emotionally invested is presented as evidence they are unserious and their views can be dismissed. Even outright mocked.

If they don't immediately abandon the platform (because they want to stay connected to that community) that's presented as evidence their views are shrill whinging, that they actually consent to their mistreatment, and can again be dismissed and derided.

This is just a rhetorical device to deflect criticism.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by somenameforme on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:52AM (#35491457)
It's the behavior and rationale of people opposing Musk that's being mocked. People are running around framing every single issue as if it's the end of the world for their experience, and downvoting any and everything they can, except comments which indulge similar histrionics.

I mean this change is something I personally oppose, but the people whinging about it would generally be cheering it on rapturously had it been done under 'Old Twitter' leadership. In other words, the criticisms are not being made in good faith.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by maxbond on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:10AM (#35491533)
Why do you think everyone who criticizes Musk falls into a single bucket? What makes you think you are able to know how they would behave in an alternative history? If all his critics are shrill and hysterical as you say, but you actually share this criticism, why is it you are uniquely exempt from being shrill and hysterical?

From where I'm standing, this seems like just another empty rhetorical device to dismiss people you'd rather not engage with, to paint them with a broad brush and then hold them accountable for hypothetical scenarios you invented. (Not wanting to engage with people is fine, framing that as being about their being hysterical rather than you being disinterested isn't.)

If the previous post was the moral equivalent of telling someone to stop hitting themselves, claiming they'd have supported this policy without Musk without any evidence (which I find extremely hard to believe, people get very upset when platforms do anything like this) is the equivalent of getting upset with your spouse because you had a dream they were unfaithful.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by Dalewyn on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:09AM (#35491524)
The recent NPR spat is just that.

"This does not come from authoritative sources and is potentially fake news." disclaimers? "YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA----"

"This account is state affiliated." disclaimers? "NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY----"

The one standard those people have is having no standard at all.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by HopenHeyHi on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:28AM (#35491610)
^ This

I don't know when or why adults acting emotionally fragile and wearing it like some sort of badge of honor has become fashionable.

For the record I actually think blocking substack (if that is even what is actually happening) is lame.

> This is the moral equivalent..

Girl, bye.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by mcintyre1994 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:58AM (#35491182)
That was when he attempted to ban links to other social networks and to things like linktree. No surprise that people would have left if he’d gone ahead with that, but he rolled it back.
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by samwillis on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:59AM (#35491184)
> I think you're taking a silly website way too seriously.

What may be a silly website to you is a major revenue channel, community lifeline, platform for change, or a free and safe space for others.

Twitter is many different things to many different people. It clearly has its flaws, and always has, but dismissing it as a "silly website" does disservice to the impact and importance it has on people's lives.

Twitter isn't really the software, or the business that owns it. It's the people who use it, the community. Sadly that's been forgotten under its current ownership.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by HopenHeyHi on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:35AM (#35491634)
Twitter is really the frens we made along the way <3
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by asynchronous on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:06AM (#35491221)
You’re right, of course.

I personally grow tired of watching the same crowd saying “go build your own Twitter” throw the world’s largest and loudest hissy fit when Twitter got bought and ran in a different direction.

And where has all this outrage been posted to? Twitter.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by onion2k on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:21AM (#35491299)
countless predictions of imminent doom

Web software that's built well is robust and survives even when things fail. Twitter's engineers clearly built a solid foundation, and we know this because it's still running without them. The only people who said Twitter would collapse were people who had no faith in Twitter's engineers. Musk himself must have believed it'd survive without them because he trusted the business wouldn't collapse when he fired 75% for the staff.

What people who understand tech said was that Twitter will find it hard to build new things with those people. Recent changes have been updating the logo and blocking retweets if the tweet has a specific domain in it. If you want evidence that Musk is crippling Twitter, it's right there. Twitter is not moving forwards.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by atoav on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:45AM (#35491126)
I remember being on a hacker camp ca. 2016 and arguing the position that he is not the genius as which he was presented, because some of the stuff he said made no sense at all and ao I checked a little deeper and there was more of that. Back then he still had many convinced. Or at least they accepted thst the guy was supporting the cool companies. That was 7 years ago.

Nowadays that guy is a joke in the same circles because it has become glowingly obvious just how much of his persona was a lie.

The one thing I can give him credit for is that he knew which companies to bet on... and apparently the damage he could do was limited by others there. Now that he is in full control his style of doing things is out there in the daylight.

And quite frankly: I don't even know why it is out in the daylight — Elon could have done the smart thing and let the company do it's thing and give them goals that they should find a route to in the next years. But Elon being Elon he just had to make it about himself and micromanage Twitter into chaos.

So if you have run out of mental energy to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, that is a bit late, but hey, better late then never.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by Freedom2 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:14AM (#35491265)
Controversial take: I believe that Twitter has significantly improved as a platform, with extended tweet lengths, enhanced media quality, a consistent reverse chronological timeline, reduced advertisements, broader access to verification, and initial steps towards algorithm transparency.

The issue lies with the users, as the overwhelming criticism of Elon tends to eclipse any reasonable discourse about the platform.

In my opinion, Twitter had reached a plateau and required some revitalization. As time goes on, we can expect further enhancements to emerge.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by somenameforme on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:38AM (#35491387)
One recurring trend in Musk's successes has been mockery. When SpaceX was still a tiny upstart, their ideas of reusable rockets were actively mocked by "experts" in the industry, which proclaimed they'd already long since researched such ideas, and they simply weren't economically viable.

And similarly with Tesla. It's claimed he didn't start Tesla, which is technically true but misleading. He joined when it was 4 guys with some big ideas, but the "real" founders of the company would "leave" before Tesla's first product, The Roadster, hit production. Beyond that, electric cars were largely seen as a "radical" (as in dubious) idea at the time, with the status quo being hybrids which tended to look weird and be poor performing, more serving as a means of virtue signaling environmentalism than anything else.

Basically, it all gets back to Henry Ford. If you ask people what they want, they'd have said faster horses. When an innovator takes over a company, his ideas are going to look dumb to most people, which is why most people are not innovators.

All that said, censoring Substack looks dumb.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by sshine on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:41AM (#35491881)
> censoring Substack looks dumb

This is not the first or the last time a media company / social network is censoring links to its competitors. It’s not to the benefit of the users. It may look like it breaks with the spirit of twitter.

Ultimately and sadly, making a worse service when a competitor stands to benefit more from an organic cooperation via link sharing may be the strategic choice.

Blame silo strategies.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by maxerickson on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:24AM (#35493421)
What's going on with you guys posting the same comment? Like sure, the words changed, but not the structure of the 3 paragraphs.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35490067

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by swores on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:04AM (#35493888)
I think the one you replied to copied the one you linked to and put it through ChatGPT
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by bentlegen on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:28AM (#35493472)
I see that “Musk takes editorial control of users’ content by banning URLs he doesn’t like” isn’t in your list of improvements.

Given your username is “Freedom2”, I don’t understand how “longer tweets” makes it worth it. To me it’s all worthless if you can’t even post your words.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by locustous on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:58AM (#35493806)
Frankly, Musk's attention is so short and fleeting compared to the censorship engine that existed before. It's more personal and self enriching than party lines.

It's a net win over the previous government censorship and blue check system.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by ModernMech on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:32AM (#35494270)
All this says to me is that you're happy the editorializing is going in a different direction now.
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by locustous on Saturday April 08, 2023 @12:55PM (#35495202)
You misunderstand me. Objectivity is mostly fiction. I'm am happy that there is more variety in the viewpoint bias of one major platform. Not that I subscribe to Musk's personal brand. I disagree with him in many places. I'd hope for a few more major brands that depart from being plugged into the government censorship platform.