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Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by hinkley on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:28AM (#35491045)
I had a coworker who would have anger lines come out of his skull if you said Musk had anything to do with PayPal success. It was like Barney Stinson talking about Ralph Macchio.

Then Tesla and SpaceX happened and I was like, “hmm, maybe he was wrong” and then Twitter happened and I’m thinking, “no, I get it now”.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by NhanH on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:58AM (#35491183)
Recently, I have a theory that Musk is a politician, not an entrepreneur. It just so happened that he wasn't born in the US to formally pursuit the politician career (yes, I know that President is nominally the only office limited to US-born citizen. That isn't the point, it's still vastly harder to be a high ranking politician without being born in the country)

From that viewpoint, it makes sense as to how he could be successful in some venture and not so in others. The hypothesis would mean that he's very good at organizing, dealing with bureaucracy, doing PR etc. Not so much at actually building things, designing, engineering, or basically building consumer business.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by zarzavat on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:08AM (#35491752)
I have the opposite view. Musk is a fantastic engineer, but a terrible politician. He’s the kind of man who starts a rocket company and knows exactly how everything on the rocket works, but then impulsively smokes a joint on a podcast and risks his security clearance and defense funding to said rocket company.

Musk has no political sense whatsoever, he’s far too impulsive. But the impulsiveness does make headlines which people mistake as media savvy.

That’s how he got himself into this mess in the first place. Musk impulsively decided to offer to buy Twitter with no due diligence, then sensibly tried to back out when he came to his senses (helped a bit by the Fed), but was forced to purchase it anyway. Of course it’s a disaster. He bought it on a whim and has no idea how to run a social media company.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by baxtr on Saturday April 08, 2023 @09:41AM (#35492994)
Same could be said easily about Trump…
Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by AbrahamParangi on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:06AM (#35493256)
The difference between Elon and Trump is that when Trump gets in trouble it’s for something reprehensible that his supporters like.

When Elon gets in trouble it’s for something that nobody supports (like calling that guy a pedo), and his supporters just sort of feel bad about.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by BulgarianIdiot on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:50PM (#35495825)
His approach to refactoring Twitter, I mean in terms of org structure, culture, and the code itself... is frankly giving me a zero engineering intuition impression.

Also he didn't design the SpaceX rocket. He had a hand in the first prototype, which crash and burned. Literally. That's his contribution in terms of engineering.

His overall contribution is PR and attracting capital. That's really it. I'd say sits closer to a politician.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by pavel_lishin on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:22AM (#35493397)
I think Musk is a celebrity, not a politician or an engineer or an entrepreneur.

Politicians have to answer to their constituents, engineers have to answer to the laws of physics, and entrepreneurs have to answer to the laws of economics.

Celebrities are beholden to nothing but marketing, and until recently, Musk (or someone on his team) has been doing a pretty good job of selling his image.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by mtzet on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:02AM (#35491204)
As someone who knows nothing at all about the success of PayPal, can you elaborate on why?

I'm also curious about his role in the success of Tesla and SpaceX. I personally find those to be two of the most interesting startups in a long while, and have been inclined to think that Musk being involved in both to be unlikely to be a coincidence.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by bostik on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:08AM (#35491749)
At least in the book, PayPal Wars, there is a notion that Musk effectively bought his way in to PayPal. He was running a competing payment service, named "X" or something like that. PayPal had better mindshare and tight eBay integration. Competition was intense.

So the two companies merged, and focused on just one brand: PayPal's. Reading between the lines, it wasn't an easy marriage.

Re:Paul Graham on Twitter's anti-Substack measures: “It's a ... by tim333 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:23AM (#35492558)
The Book Founders at Work's first chapter is about Max Levchin at PayPal. One paragraph

>We had this merger with a company called X.com. It was a bit of a tough merger because the companies were really competitive — we were two large competitors in the same market. For a while, Peter took some time off. The guy who ran X.com [Musk] became the CEO, and I remained the CTO. He was really into Windows, and I was really into Unix. So there was this bad blood for a while between the engineering teams. He was convinced that Windows was where it's at and that we have to switch to Windows, but the platform that we used was, I thought, built really well and I wanted to keep it. I wanted to stay on Unix.

And eventually to stop Musk breaking the thing by rewriting it for windows at a time they were very busy fighting fraud on the network, Peter Thiel kicked him out as CEO.

>...I was like,"You gotta go,man."My whole argument to him was, "We can't switch to Windows now. This fraud thing is most important to the company. You can't allow any additional changes. It's one of these things where you want to change one big thing at a time, and the fraud is a pretty big thing. So introducing a new platform or doing anything major—you just don't want to do it right now." That was sort of the trigger for a fairly substantial conflict that resulted in him leaving and Peter coming back and me taking over fraud.