There are plenty of places you can be upset that aren't in this one specific thread.
I suggest next time you take the time to think for a seconds before hitting 'reply'.
See cheeseblubber's comment[1] which cites[2]: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." It goes on to compare with NY[3]: "The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in New York is 1 in 40."
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781
[2] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des...
[3] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime#descript...
“San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”
'able or likely to cause harm or injury.'
From Google/Oxford.
I said
"San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States."
You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]:
"involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss"
If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all.
You're trying to use the amount of petty theft, which does suck, to pretend that San Francisco is a dangerous city, which its not.
If you look at just violent crimes, San Francisco isn't in the conversation.
Vehicle thefts and carjackings spike in major US cities[1]: "The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco."
Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says[2]
Perhaps most tellingly[3]:
"In September 2022, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that a poll of 1,653 city residents found that over the past five years, 45% of San Francisco residents had been the victim of theft and 24% had been either been threatened with violence or had been the victim of a violent crime.[4]"
> If you look at just violent crimes
If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", I would certainly agree with you. My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco."
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985
[2] https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-f...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco
[4] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp...
Cool. If your town has one carjacking, and the next it has two, thats a big increase. So again, I'll repeat, does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings?
>Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says
Yes, petty theft is rampant there.
>If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent",
Just to clarify, we were always talking about violent crimes. Carjacking and break-ins are violent crimes. Petty theft is not. The conversation is not "shifting", you are just applying the word dangerous to situations where it doesn't apply.
>My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco."
That's irrelevant to our conversation.
Dec 22: https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/crime/man-shot-during-attemp...
Feb 6th: https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/assault-carjacking-suspect-a...
Feb 21st (and mentions a second Nov 7th): https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/armed-carjackings-near-s...
Mar 1st: https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/teens-carjack-couple...
You could perhaps automate something to give you a proxy statistic. Hell, it may end up a better statistic than what the SFPD has.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35496700
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/105IDODri5Qbi3Mj-SGHF...
"Obie is one of those Ruby developers with no programming experience"
http://blog.crazybob.org/2007/09/gavin-king-on-activerecord....
A bit sad to see all those deadlinks in the comments though. From what I recall sites like JRoller were captured by the Way Back machine, but images seem to have been lost. At least they were for my blog at the time.
I vividly remember being sucked into his craziness more than a few times in my formative years!
A fun, welcoming guy and an incredible technologist.
Just curious what was he like in terms of the craziness? Partying? Skydiving?
I remember arriving at a conference with serious jet lag and just wanting to sleep. I grabbed dinner with a few of the other speakers and Bob's energy was enough to turn dinner into drinks and drinks into skipping the whole night's sleep.
1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454844
2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454971
https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho...
"Surveillance footage reviewed by The Standard shows Lee, who had already been stabbed, walking up Main Street away from the Bay Bridge.....Lee crosses the intersection at Harrison Street and walks up to a parked white Camry with its hazard lights flashing.
Lee then lifts his shirt—as if to show the driver his wound and ask for help—and falls to the ground after the car drives away, the footage shows. He gets up and walks back toward the Bay Bridge before falling to the ground again ....
At some point, Lee dialed 911 and repeatedly screamed for help, saying he needed to go to the hospital....
Lee was unconscious when officers found him on the ground, police said."
So looks like he was stabbed and he was wandering around in the middle of San Fran trying to get someone to help him even lifting up his shirt to show people his wound and no one would help him..
The reason our large cities are hellscapes is because in part all institutions censor dissenting comments.. cough cough cough cough...
Lee is likely dead in part because of SF's pro-crime policies, and that is why people are discussing this.
To facilitate this, I've taken the liberty of converting your text here into a new submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341) and am going to move the relevant comments there. I hope that's ok with you (and if not, let me know and I'll rework this).
I want to draw attention to Bob Lee, a well-respected technologist and prototype hacker, always curious and sharing lots of interesting technical developments. He was a great role model for how Engineers should be respected in an executive capacity as he advanced his career from 'Software' to 'Product'. His efforts contributed to technology used by millions. What happened to him is tragic and wrong; he deserved better. Thank you, I'll miss you 'crazybob'.
Please share your stories featuring Bob Lee, who I'm sure would like to be remembered for his contributions rather than as a victim of this unfortunate awful event.