“San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”
'able or likely to cause harm or injury.'
From Google/Oxford.
I said
"San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States."
You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]:
"involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss"
If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all.
You're trying to use the amount of petty theft, which does suck, to pretend that San Francisco is a dangerous city, which its not.
If you look at just violent crimes, San Francisco isn't in the conversation.
Vehicle thefts and carjackings spike in major US cities[1]: "The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco."
Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says[2]
Perhaps most tellingly[3]:
"In September 2022, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that a poll of 1,653 city residents found that over the past five years, 45% of San Francisco residents had been the victim of theft and 24% had been either been threatened with violence or had been the victim of a violent crime.[4]"
> If you look at just violent crimes
If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", I would certainly agree with you. My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco."
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985
[2] https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-f...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco
[4] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp...
Cool. If your town has one carjacking, and the next it has two, thats a big increase. So again, I'll repeat, does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings?
>Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says
Yes, petty theft is rampant there.
>If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent",
Just to clarify, we were always talking about violent crimes. Carjacking and break-ins are violent crimes. Petty theft is not. The conversation is not "shifting", you are just applying the word dangerous to situations where it doesn't apply.
>My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco."
That's irrelevant to our conversation.
Dec 22: https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/crime/man-shot-during-attemp...
Feb 6th: https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/assault-carjacking-suspect-a...
Feb 21st (and mentions a second Nov 7th): https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/armed-carjackings-near-s...
Mar 1st: https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/teens-carjack-couple...
You could perhaps automate something to give you a proxy statistic. Hell, it may end up a better statistic than what the SFPD has.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35496700
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/105IDODri5Qbi3Mj-SGHF...