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Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by muzani on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:00AM (#35440756)
I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway.

It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. people without jobs encouraged to find new jobs. In the past, wants-to-be-hired may be a little low because usually people don't want to be seen looking for a job while employed.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by mortenjorck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:22AM (#35441139)
> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs

I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months.

I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off and have no current employer you wouldn’t want seeing it – there’s a certain vulnerability in putting yourself out there versus privately applying to jobs. For me, it took a certain level of desperation with my search to make the jump from browsing the hiring thread to finally posting in the other thread this month.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by onionisafruit on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:33AM (#35441326)
This is my first month looking. I thought about posting yesterday, but I am very shy about putting my name on the internet. That insecurity won the day. I hope you get good results from your post.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by jrochkind1 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:56AM (#35441664)
Did you get anything from your "who wants to be hired" post? It's not been clear to me that it's a useful thing to do.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by mightybyte on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:38PM (#35442323)
I have received a referral bonus that traced directly back to a "who is hiring" post. Haven't posted on "who wants to be hired" though.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by matttb on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:29PM (#35443994)
I just got a lot of spam email until I asked the mods to delete my post and the spam vanished
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by recfab on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:46PM (#35445657)
I posted last month and didn't hear anything from it. I'm hoping this month is more fruitful.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by mortenjorck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:08PM (#35447498)
Not so far. It would be interesting to attempt to quantify how much the thread does or doesn't help job seekers.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by devoutsalsa on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:11PM (#35441907)
I've definitely resisted posting in the past. The primary reason was I simply didn't want to post while I had a job. The second is that you can't delete old HN comments, and I don't feel like having an "I need a job" comment on my permanent record. I'm not opposed to posting, but I haven't felt the desire to post.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by leonidasv on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:08PM (#35442784)
FYI, you can get old posts deleted by contacting the moderators via email.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23623557

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by devoutsalsa on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:53PM (#35443483)
Good to know, thanks.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by selimthegrim on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:43PM (#35444185)
I’ve always been able to delete my comments on that post without having to email anybody
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by mortenjorck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:39PM (#35444874)
Can confirm. My WWTBH comment from yesterday shows me a delete link, as well as a non-expiring edit link.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by leonidasv on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:51PM (#35445713)
The delete button is time-limited. I think it's about 24~36 hours. After that, you can't delete without emailing the mods.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by selimthegrim on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:52PM (#35446339)
I just deleted my comment on the last thread from a month ago with the button.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by jstx1 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:17AM (#35450064)
For regular threads it's two hours but on who wants to be hired threads you can delete your comment whenever you want, no need to contact a moderator.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by muzani on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:15PM (#35447558)
You can actually delete the WWTBH comments several weeks later, I believe. I've done it before though I'm not 100% sure.

But you're only deleting them on HN. Both the major job threads are heavily scraped and your profile goes all over the internet.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by chucksmash on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:11PM (#35441919)
That's basically my outlook, I wouldn't post in the WWTBH thread. In addition to the reasons you listed, I'd also add that while my identity certainly isn't hidden and I'm not out here being controversial, my HN posts are decidedly more of the "my thoughts are my own" variety and not something I'd link a hiring manager to otherwise.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by klyrs on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:34PM (#35442278)
I wouldn't call it a psychological barrier so much as a game-theoretical one. If an employer knows that an employee is looking for jobs, their continued employment would be at risk, they could be silently passed over for promotion, etc. I suspect that most people posting in WWTBH are currently unemployed.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ryandrake on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:38PM (#35443254)
Also, I believe that, like official job postings, a lot of "Who's Hiring" posts are just kinda-serious fishing expeditions. A lot of companies say they're hiring but in reality it's because they always have their bait in the water, waiting for some outlier good deal on a top talent, but otherwise not really hiring.

EDIT: The same is probably true for job seekers, too, now that I think about it. As another commenter noted, a lot of people are being frog-marched back to physical offices at gunpoint, and are probably low-key fishing for a sweet remote-only gig.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by peruvian on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:10AM (#35440927)
I think a lot of people don't post on who wants to be hired and instead just browse who's hiring.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by TheGeminon on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:17AM (#35441040)
Thats also balanced by the fact that many postings are for multiple positions (though I would probably still tip it towards more job seekers)
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by muzani on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:52AM (#35441604)
I did both but had much better responses on WWTBH. A lot of the companies that approached were really good, paid well, respectful, etc. Funny enough, I had actually applied for one of those companies elsewhere and they didn't process the application until they realized I was on HN.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by zeven7 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:05PM (#35441807)
> they didn't process the application until they realized I was on HN

I have been on the other side of that. I hired guy I found on HN (one of the best guys I've ever worked with) and later discovered he had applied earlier through another source but I overlooked it (some sources for candidates can be an absolute fire hose).

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by Atlas22 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:04PM (#35441780)
Thanks for sharing this, I always figured the contacts in WWTBH would be mostly low quality (similar to recruiter spam) so never bothered before. But now that I actually think about it some of the best jobs I've ever had were companies that approached me.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by jonpurdy on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:19PM (#35442045)
Similar, last time I was looking (2020) I posted in both and had good responses from quality companies. Basically any HN thread has yielded vastly better opportunities than anywhere else (direct apply, linkedin, etc).
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by comfypotato on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:40AM (#35441415)
Also consider that HN isn’t exactly indicative of any typical job market. This is a pretty niche forum even in the context of software and tech. It’s still interesting, and there’s insight to be gained. (For example, I expect a lot the the high-powered developers who were affected by recent layoffs in big tech are over-represented here.)
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by Herval_freire on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:19AM (#35441079)
>It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

No 0.94 is a sample that comes with a huge margin or error.

It very well could be that the actual ratio is that there are more programmers then jobs.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ghaff on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:57AM (#35441695)
Jobs and salaries are also not interchangeable. One can believe (rightly or wrongly) that many developers who have mainstream skills/experience, a good resume & network, aren't too old, etc. can land a new job in a reasonable length of time--while acknowledging that it may be at a total compensation dip if they were with a high-paying company.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by jstummbillig on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:34AM (#35441336)
> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

I would hope most people realize that this is not what is going on. I am always "hiring". That's basically my job and I need to be a lot better at hiring than you need to be at being hired.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:02AM (#35440798)
It had the worst job market -- if you weren't able to work from home. Most of the world ain't in STEM.

Many of us, myself included, already did that. I had to wear a mask to do my "morning commute" to get coffee, but otherwise my 9-5 was mostly the same.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by dimitrios1 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:26AM (#35441189)
Most of STEM isn't at home, either.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by dayvid on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:09AM (#35440904)
A few months into the pandemic was one of the best job markets for tech as more people were online than ever. A lot of my coworkers jumped to different companies or startups with huge salary bumps.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by muzani on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:40AM (#35441420)
I benefited from that too, but The Great Resignation happened in 2021 I believe. Which was followed by layoffs from the overhiring, lol

But there was some data on HN about how the start of the pandemic was terrible, worse than last year, at least. And there were some sales graphs that reflected this too.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by throwawaysleep on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:15AM (#35441002)
> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

Is it? Unemployment is still incredibly low and labour shortages continue to be reported.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:06PM (#35441817)
Incredibly low unemployment doesn't mean good news for workers. You can cut or reduce unemployment benefits, and with the massive increase in CoL in the last couple of years, people will desperate enough to accept any job, no matter how bad, and boom, you have almost no unemployment.

IMHO, some unemployment is good. It means people are not desperate enough to jump to places with bad pay or poor working conditions.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by prottog on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:06AM (#35440859)
> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

In my area, many businesses outside of the tech sector is actively hiring and can't find enough people. I think Covid triggered a demographic shift with many Boomers retiring (or dying) and that gap has not been filled.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by incone123 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:27PM (#35442183)
This is an interesting contrast with another comment that said it should be possible to find another tech job if (among other factors) the candidate was not too old.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ShadowBanThis01 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:25PM (#35443028)
Given that Boomers are around 80, I suspect most of them were already retired.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by richiebful1 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:01PM (#35443615)
1946-1964 (the US Census definition of boomers) is "around 80" at the high end.

My dad's a boomer, he's still working.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ShadowBanThis01 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:24PM (#35445411)
Yeah, I don't really subscribe to this seemingly ever-expanding definition of "Baby Boomers." It was supposed to be babies born in the euphoria right after WWII, but now extends for 20 years.

The ever-expanding "millennials" label is even more absurd. It originally meant people graduating college around 2000: a very specific group. Now, again, it has blown up to include decades of people.

After Boomers, all the labels are just idiotic. Let's all just refer to age groups using [gasp] numbers.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by sangnoir on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:48PM (#35445683)
> It originally meant people graduating college around 2000:

This is not how generational cohorts work. AFAIK, what counts as a generation can refer to people born over from 10, and up to 33 year period depending on who you ask.

"Millennial" is not precise term, it simply refers to people younger than Gen X and older than Gen Z.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ShadowBanThis01 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:41PM (#35447753)
Eh, I remember when this was coined, and it was specifically about people graduating college at the millennium. Granted, I thought then (and still think) this was a weird benchmark to use. But the whole thing is dumb.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by sangnoir on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @03:21AM (#35450520)
You may be misremembering, or perhaps you meant graduating high school? People who graduatedcollege in 2000 are not considered to be millennials as they were been born in 1978 or 1979.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ShadowBanThis01 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @03:26PM (#35459199)
Hmm, I'm pretty sure it was college, because the topic of conversation at the time was the job market facing these new graduates and how they were the first cohort that could not necessarily expect to "do better" than their parents.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by duderific on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:20PM (#35445359)
Boomer generation is born 1946 - 1964 so most are probably around 70ish, with many younger and older.
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by roncesvalles on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:17PM (#35442002)
>people don't want to be seen looking for a job while employed

IMO this is the biggest factor causing the slowdown in tech hiring. Right now people just want to stay put wherever they are. In the past when someone jumps to another company, it opens a headcount where they were, which gets filled with someone who also jumped another company, which caused a headcount to be created there, ad infinitum causing a constant cacophony of job postings, like a "velocity" of jobs akin to velocity of money.

The combination of slack in the system (unemployed people being hired), low attrition, and some backfills not being done creates a giant dampener on the velocity.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ipaddr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:17PM (#35442009)
1/2 the companies posting jobs are not really hiring. There may be positions available if someone wows them or if they can find talent for cheap.

The languages in demand change is probably more interesting. Less react positions, rails holding strong, python over taking, first time no php jobs offered.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by jonnycoder on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:48PM (#35442499)
I suspect this is the case as well. I've been applying for senior software engineer positions since mid January and I have way more auto-declines the next day after applying than I do initial phone calls with the company recruiter. I have a decent mix of experience and results in Python, C++ embedded, NodeJS, NoSQL dbs and CI/CD and I typically match 80% of the requirements+bonus requirements. One company even said last week that they liked my background because of the scope of work/results compared to faang resumes (I only have 2nd tier tech company experience).
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by UlisesAC4 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:42PM (#35442401)
> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers.

I am sure that there is a huge margin of error. I have been looking a job for 5 months. Granted, I have not used Who's hiring threads religiously and I am sure that there are positions that I applied where something with better qualifications was chosen.

Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by ed_balls on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:53PM (#35443485)
Re:Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is a... by pcthrowaway on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:09PM (#35445233)
To post in the WWTBH thread, you need to share your contact info, and probably some information about yourself, so it can't be an anon account.

Which means, if you're employed and looking elsewhere, you have to be comfortable with your employer potentially discovering your eye is wandering. Which I for one, definitely wouldn't want to do right now.

So I imagine the WWTBH posts are really just the tip of the iceberg (there may be more than one employed person looking for every unemployed one that feels comfortable posting there)

Compared to the Who is Hiring posts which companies have no reason to be concerned about posting (well, maybe if they're simultaneously laying off and pretending that they need to reduce headcount when it's really about reducing the average wage)