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Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by eCa on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:15PM (#35431400)
For normal world applications, a tubeless[1] setup will perform infinitely better. Though less eye-catchy.

[1] https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/tubeless/

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by pmoriarty on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:25PM (#35431497)
"Sealant, poured into the tyre or injected through the valve, helps plug any tiny leaks. This sealant stays liquid inside the tyre and will heal small punctures suffered while riding."

Isn't that basically the same as Slime, which is (from what I understand) widely reviled in the biking community?

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by uxp100 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:42PM (#35431695)
There are (small) differences in wheel and tire design to support the sealant based system, and that makes all the difference I guess. Slime tubes are pretty reviled, tubeless is the hot thing. Besides being more reliable it also allows for lower pressures, which is probably the main reason it has become popular. There is very little downside for riders (tubeless is just a bit slower than high end tubes that very few riders use), but for the home mechanic they’re a bit of a pain to work on.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by twoWhlsGud on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:33PM (#35431599)
No. I've been riding a road tubeless setup in Seattle and surrounding countryside for half a decade now and the feel has nothing to do with Slime. 55mm x ISO 559 lightweight road tires with Orange Seal. (In the NW we like wide road tires : )

Something like 10k miles later I've had zero incidents where I had to fix something on the road. You do have to more maintenance (e.g. make sure you have adequate sealant in the tires periodically) but for regular year round use especially, it is a worthwhile trade.

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by mbrameld on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:32PM (#35431585)
Not sure about road biking, but at least in the mountain and gravel communities it's almost universal. There are 3 popular sealant brands that I'm aware of: Stans, Orange Seal, and Slime.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by davidw on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:24PM (#35432159)
I have been riding and racing bikes since 1990, and I think tubeless is one of the best real innovations. Fixing flats sucks.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by rascul on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:29PM (#35431553)
Not sure if they still make them, but some many years ago I tried out some Slime tubes that had the stuff built into the tube somehow. Not only did it not work to seal punctures, it was impossible to patch.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by JonChesterfield on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:47PM (#35431755)
I like the slime inner tubes. They've saved me a few times. Only on lowish pressure tyres though, I can't imagine they work well on a road bike.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by asdff on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:47PM (#35431760)
People do get annoyed with tubeless to be honest. Its a mixed bag of people who like it because the rolling resistance is 1 watt lower, and people who hate it because its a lot more maintenance keeping up with sealant and hard to patch sometimes compared to just throwing in a new tube (which a lot of tubeless users end up doing when they get a puncture flat anyhow).
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by turdprincess on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:27PM (#35432184)
I have two bikes - one tubleess, one tubed.

On my tubed bike, other than 1 or 2 flats in the last 5 years, these tires have required 0 maintenance. Even after dusting the bike off from the winter, they pump right up and are ready to go.

My tubeless tires are a constant source of headache. They are constantly going flat, sometimes weekly, requiring more sealant, stuck valve cores, etc.

Overall, I'd say my tubeless tires require monthly maintenance, while my tubed tires have basically never required any thought at all. What am I missing here?

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by giraffe_lady on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:39PM (#35432345)
idk there's some finesse I had to learn when switching to tubeless. They do need a little maintenance and it took a while to get a feel for it and not cause more problems.

If you're only getting 2 flats in five years though yeah stick with tubes. I get 3-4 a year and they're much less of an event with tubeless, so the extra routine work pays off.

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by gaetgu on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:56PM (#35433984)
That’s interesting. On my mountain bike that (used to) get a lot of constant use, tubeless was much better than my old MTV with tubes. When the tubes get a flat it is a whole process to get it patched, but tubeless both seem to get less flats and seal better with whatever I put in them.

That being said, tubeless tires do require being used fairly regularly, which includes pumping them up (just topping them off) almost every time you go out. Right now I haven’t gone mountain biking in quite a while so I guarantee that my tires are flat

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by FpUser on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:16PM (#35434533)
Sometime I would go a year without flats and sometimes I would get like (this was worst ever) 5 in a month.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by hellisothers on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:16PM (#35434534)
I have a similar experience with tubeless, maybe half the time I setup a tubeless tire it works for weeks without refills, the other half i have to reinflate one a week. However it’s worth it because the reason I go tubeless is to have very low PSI for comfort, like around 30 PSI, can’t get that with tubes.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by davisoneee on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:10AM (#35437364)
I would suggest looking at different tyre brands or models. I have been running tubeless (on road) for about the past 3 years...varying between 30mm and 42mm (gravel bike, but running basically slick tyres).

Different tyres have different wall constructions, and so some can leak a lot of air. I find that after I put on a new tyre, they leak air for the first couple days, but it's greatly benefited by going for a few rides (the extra pressure gets the sealant into all the nooks and crannies of the tyre casing, filling the gaps), and then maybe lose a PSI or two per week (when I run at 50psi).

I change sealant about every 6 months, just because it dries up. Not particularly due to fluid leakage.

Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by turdprincess on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:57PM (#35442624)
For sure part of it has to do with my fancy ultralight Rene Herse tires.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by analog31 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:37PM (#35432313)
A lesson I've learned over years of cycling and maintaining other kinds of machines, is that all fluids require maintenance. Of course the air in the tires is also a fluid. But introducing another fluid to overcome a maintenance issue, is virtually guaranteed to introduce another maintenance issue. Ultimately it comes down to a matter of tradeoffs.
Re:Tennis Balls Serve as Decent Bicycle Tires That Don’t Eas... by ggforpp on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:35AM (#35437524)
Well said. Tubeless is fora shaving off a few grams from the wheels, which translates to a very low (but measurable) energy saving on acceleration.