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Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by misiti3780 on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:20PM (#35393025)
a large portion of HN users view anything elon musk does as nefarious, which is why half of these comments are negative.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by guelo on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:32PM (#35393209)
Any time a billionaire buys a media company it's bad for the health of democracy.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by Mordisquitos on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:54PM (#35393501)
Not necessarily. What if the media company was bad for the health of democracy, and the billionaire's incompetence destroys the company's social standing and thus its ability to do more damage (even in the billionaire's own interests)?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by nonbirithm on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:16PM (#35393776)
Yeah, have to wonder how many people, if they had the money, would want to buy out Twitter just to wipe it out. Doesn't a huge chunk of HN hate Twitter and wish it were dead?

(Regardless I think that would be useless in the long run, since the millions of stranded users will still want another Twitter-like platform. And Twitter imploding without a designated archive will wipe out a tremendous amount of digital history.)

A lot of his decisions look pretty incompetent in the surface, like how could he not see how charging for verification devalue the system to whoever has the money?

Instead it could just be an intentional ploy to completely devalue Twitter disguised as incompetence. He can justify firing employees and charging for API access/verification as money-saving strategies, even if they're terrible strategies that have little chance of succeeding. And he could make enough people believe he's an idiot who makes things up as he goes rather than someone specifically driven or apathetic enough to run Twitter into the ground. Not to mention he was forced to buy them after changing his mind. Almost feels like a "so that's what happens" response.

I wonder how higher powers would be able to distinguish fake incompetence from real incompetence. Would they care how Twitter as a private company ends up if it's the case that it implodes from its own legitimately bad business decisions? It reminds me of how employers won't directly fire employees for discriminatory reasons, instead they make the employees' lives miserable so they're compelled to leave on their own, thus they escape scrutiny.

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by ClumsyPilot on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:22PM (#35393853)
This is basically at the level of "9/11 was an inside job to bring down WTC 1, but WTC2 was destroyed in an unrelated but simultaneous terrorist attack"
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by tablespoon on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:02PM (#35394264)
> Yeah, have to wonder how many people, if they had the money, would want to buy out Twitter just to wipe it out. Doesn't a huge chunk of HN hate Twitter and wish it were dead?

> (Regardless I think that would be useless in the long run, since the millions of stranded users will still want another Twitter-like platform.

If there's not an obvious successor, right when its shutdown, a lot of those people might get their habit broken and find something better to do. I know Mastodon was held up as a successor, but it's unclear to me if that's actually capable of scaling to that level.

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by dmix on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:21PM (#35394521)
Mastodon is way too flawed to be anything but a niche tool for tech people and activists. I highly highly doubt such a system can cross the chasm. That doesn’t mean that’s a bad thing though.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by bobsil1 on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:34PM (#35396118)
Or, he’s as incompetent as he looks.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by misiti3780 on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:06PM (#35393654)
i wasnt referring to him buying twitter, i was referring to him saying he was going to open source the recommendation engine and then doing it.

i agree billionaires owning media companies is huge problem

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by paulddraper on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:18PM (#35393808)
Which is why HN was so incensed about Bezos buying the Washington Post.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by mulmen on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:54PM (#35394181)
Do you believe billionaires can do good? Is their existence an existential threat to democracy?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by systemvoltage on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:20PM (#35394501)
We need more inequality. It’s a feature, not a bug. Entire swaths of people are convinced we need to flatten all people into one income bracket. That’s not going to end well. See USSR and Cambodian massacre.

That doesn’t mean we should propel poverty.

Midwits have been brainwashed into thinking “equity = good” with no critical thinking capability. The entire political college class screams “How can you be against equality!” followed by insinuations and fascism insults. The term “human rights” have been hijacked into socialism/communism propaganda.

It’s so deeply fucked.

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by hooverd on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:07PM (#35394336)
Yes. There are plenty of philanthropic billionaires. Yes. That much money buys a destabilizing amount of influence.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by systemvoltage on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:43PM (#35394766)
Billionaires are billionaires not by literally storing cash. The rest of the society values their contributions and creations in the companies/corporations they run. Sure, they have some liquidity but the entire concept of resentment towards billionaires is essentially equal to resentment for the betterment of the world. There are some exceptions but for the most part, in a well oiled market, you can't just become a billionaire by fucking over people. See Adani and how it turns out for him: https://www.ft.com/content/5c0b6174-e66d-4fa5-89a5-6da1d69ab...
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by pastacacioepepe on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:55PM (#35394187)
Can you name one relevant media company owned by someone from the working class?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by scythe on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:58PM (#35395431)
If you personally own a media company, you are by definition bourgeoisie. But see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_cooperative#List_of_medi...

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by simondotau on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:28PM (#35394592)
And when a highly scrutinised, highly visible billionaire buys it off a different bunch of billionaires which you know little about?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by v0idzer0 on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:02PM (#35395458)
Every major media company is owned by a billionaire
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by systemvoltage on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:48PM (#35393432)
Cynicism is the standard operating procedure on HN for anything that tilts against their party lines. It's completely illiberal.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by cubefox on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:07PM (#35394340)
Yeah it seems so. I think journalists have portrayed him way too negatively. For example, they mostly ignored the Twitter files, presumably because it didn't fit their political narrative.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by swores on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:08PM (#35395002)
It's because there was close to zero newsworthy information in them, just nonsense being disseminated by wannabe-journalists.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by v0idzer0 on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:00PM (#35395450)
You clearly are oblivious as to what they contain
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by r3trohack3r on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:27PM (#35396068)
I encourage you to watch the C-SPAN recordings of the senate sessions where they brought in Twitter employees and journalists to cover what was in the Twitter files.

From your comment it sounds like you’ve been consuming the 30s soundbytes from those hearings and the misinformation spreading around the internet.

A long list of 3 letter agencies were compiling lists of citizens and journalists and sending them to social media companies to review for ToS violations.

There is a very real threat to civil rights here. When this cannon swings around and points back at LGBTQ, racial equality, stopping the war on drugs, etc. this is going to be “not pretty.”

And the hearings covering them were unbelievably shameful. Senators talk passed the guests in the room. Refused to abandon their “sick burn” scripts regardless of where the conversation went. Insulted their guests. Went in random directions of questioning that had little to do with the root problem…

At the core of this, 3 letter agencies (seemingly across the board) have decided that it’s acceptable to ask social media companies to prevent citizens from communicating on their platforms by selectively directing the attention of their moderation teams towards individuals. Whether this is legal, or a violation of 1st amendment rights, is for sure an open question.

Only one senator directly addressed that and only briefly by saying “maybe they’re trying their best” - a statement that doesn’t exempt anyone involved from following the law.

If I were to sum up the hearings, I would like this:

Guest) Hey I think the government is breaking the law? R) Wow, I can’t believe it, look at covid! D) So Elon Musk gave these to you right? Are you even a journalist? Guest) Well they might be breaking the law R) They targeted conservatives! D) No they didn’t, this is biased Guest) But… they might be breaking the law R) COVID! D) Wait did we get these docs? They’re not in my sick burn list?

At the end of the day, they never addressed whether the government is allowed to censor citizens by weaponizing their ToS for selective enforcement and, if the government can do that, where is the line drawn? How specific are they required to be? Can a platform ban all political speech and then only selectively enforce requests from the government without doing their own moderation? How far can we launder the 1st amendment through a public-private collaboration of enforcing ToS?

Honestly I’m not sure what the hearings were really meant for, the government is unlikely to hold itself accountable. At this point I do believe the ball is in the citizen’s court to bring suit against the agencies named in the Twitter files like we did with the presidential surveillance program.

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by jjeaff on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:54AM (#35398200)
The government requesting that the tos of a private company be upheld seems rather mild to me. Did we get the reasons for the requests in the released files? Were they trying to reduce foreign propaganda or public health misinformation or something else important?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by variant on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:33PM (#35396460)
You like your government trying to tell a private company what's true and untrue?
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by daveguy on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:48PM (#35396556)
More than I like a private company telling me what's true and untrue.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by misiti3780 on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:58PM (#35396624)
matt taibbi is a wanna be journalist? lol

go back to your cave.

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by dang on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:57PM (#35416757)
Please don't break the HN guidelines like this. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

What's worse, if you have a true point, then posting like this actually discredits the truth and gives people a reason to reject it. That isn't in your interest and in fact hurts everyone.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by mort96 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @02:23AM (#35397691)
"Way too negatively"? We're talking about one of the world's most influential people who uses their power to randomly accuse innocent normal people of being pedophiles. There is no portrayal too negative.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by oneeyedpigeon on Saturday April 01, 2023 @06:22AM (#35399023)
Because the way he acts gives people every right to. I agree that he may be misrepresented, but if he is, then he has to shoulder at least some of the blame.
Re:Twitter open sourced the recommendation engine by mejutoco on Saturday April 01, 2023 @09:25AM (#35400139)
The question is: are they right?