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Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by extrememacaroni on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:21PM (#35348073)
blah blah, if microsoft was any good people would use their crap by choice not because they have to
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by simondanerd on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:25PM (#35348112)
Also true. There are some things MS Windows has better support for, especially in business and gaming.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by shortrounddev on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:44PM (#35348364)
i saw a stackoverflow survey that said something like 75% of developers use windows as their main dev environment
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by doodlesdev on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:05PM (#35349345)
I imagine it was this one [0]. I was confused by it at first because it amounts to more than 100%, then I understood it's a multiple choice question, so the correct affirmation would be around 50% of spftware developers use Windows in a professional capacity, but that doesn't exclude them also using Linux, macOS or BSD.

[0]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-t...

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by dathinab on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:50PM (#35349837)
any developer developing for windows is on windows

most game developers are on windows

whole tech sectors have been captured successful by Microsoft in the past and most developers there have to use Windows weather they like it or not, some of them are _really_ big (but also not super vocal or visible on GitHub as they tend to be quite proprietary in all of their actions).

etc. etc.

Idk. how realistic 75% is (e.g. what it counts as developer who/how people where asked etc.) but it's probably a high rate anyway.

EDIT: Also also probably using one doesn't exclude the other and doesn't necessary exclude them running it in a VM ;=)

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by shortrounddev on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @08:54PM (#35350519)
As a personal aside, I vastly prefer deving on Windows to macOS. Linux I can take or leave, but I just dont see the point really.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by wnevets on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:56PM (#35348532)
I choose to use Windows unless of course you consider laziness as a form of having to do something.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by ubermonkey on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @06:47PM (#35349154)
MS software I use by choice and prefer to all alternatives I've tried:

* Word

* Excel

* Honestly, Teams

* Exchange / Outlook, for group scheduling

MS software I use because I have the most experience with it, and am thus more productive than I'd be with something else:

* SQL Server

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by dathinab on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:40PM (#35349724)
> Honestly, Teams > Exchange / Outlook, for group scheduling

Are you sure?

We are a ~15 person company and there isn't a (work) day where someone doesn't have problems with teams. I can't say for sure because I hadn't used it a lot but jitsi seemed way better and google while having far worse UX was more reliable. Like screen sharing stopping working (without any error or anything just stand bild) during a meeting is pretty common, or abstruse things like one time the chat was just missing until I restarted it or another time there was a partition of rooms until everyone left the meeting and then reentered it again.

Similar problems with outlook are also not that uncommon (but more rare), like e.g. calendars not syncing, the only things really speaking for it (compared to some other good team calendar applications) IMHO is it's integration with teams... which is worth something, I mean it's pretty convenient.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by ubermonkey on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @09:12PM (#35350676)
We're about the same size, and don't have issues with it really at all, but we use it only for:

* Calling each other;

* Ad-hoc meetings internally, because our normal meeting platform has become cumbersome (GoTo);

* IMs

I see it'll do other stuff, but we're not really using those aspects. And I should also be super clear that I'm not saying Teams is actually GOOD. I have just found it to be better than any of the alternatives I've seen or used.

That's also very much how I feel about Outlook/Exchange. I mean, look, I'm a Mac guy. I use the Mac mail client almost but not quite exclusively; I also have an RD session up to a Windows VM all day every day for other reasons, and run Outlook there. The gap that drives me to Outlook/Exchange is scheduling. It just works, and works in a way that nothing else I've seen approaches -- even when messaging people outside our org.

I wish Apple calendaring was this good. I really do. But it's not.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by lostlogin on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:15PM (#35349445)
When you say ‘Word’, do you mean the app, the online one, or the Teams thing? They all behave differently and aren’t fully compatible. It’s very frustrating how formatting changes between the Words. I’m bound by a regulator to format a certain way and it’s brutal when using a full MS stack.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by ubermonkey on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:24PM (#35349534)
I really do hate is MSFT's naming conventions AND their propensity for calling two different products by the same name for marketing reasons.

I mean Microsoft Word, the word processing tool that runs as a native app on one's computer. The degree to which the online or Teams versions do not play nice with the "real" one is a HUGE own-goal by MSFT and reason enough to avoid them if you can. If you're going to have an online tool called Word, it damn well needs to work EXACTLY LIKE THE REAL VERSION.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by Dalewyn on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:51PM (#35349843)
You might be (not) pleased to know that Windows 10 and Windows 11 both identify internally as NT 10.0.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by ubermonkey on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @09:08PM (#35350638)
I'm definitely not surprised.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by zo1 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:34PM (#35349655)
I've used both extensively and interchangeably. The fact that Microsoft got "Word" running in the web, and embedded inside another application, and made it all work mostly seamlessly is downright amazing. I've yet to encounter any issues with formatting between the three, and am constantly surprised at their ability to be consistent.

Now where it all goes pear-shaped, is not the technical side of it all, it's the UX and marketing teams that got involved. One big example is the "save" dialog that's been butchered beyond describing (even in the standalone desktop version of Word) in order to promote OneDrive and other microsoft offerings.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by lostlogin on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:57PM (#35349902)
My issues: Pictures, headers and footers, the amount one can fit in a page (varies between versions). What will happen to the Teams version if I download it, edit in the native app and save?

Downloading a lot of files off Teams usually fails and gives a load of html files.

The ‘integration’ nag for one drive which can’t be dismissed or enabled but seems to work.

It’s an absolute mess and I’m very surprised to encounter someone who finds it works well.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by Dalewyn on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:48PM (#35348425)
I've always used Windows by choice, got a problem?
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by segasaturn on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:32PM (#35348220)
I run Windows 11 on my personal laptop. Best part is it's a Framework Laptop, it's 100% compatible with Linux and has official support for Ubuntu and Fedora, and yet I choose to run Windows 11 on it. I prefer the Windows UI to the abomination that is GNOME and I'm also able to do basic things like sleep and hibernate my machine without it freaking out.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by SLWW on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @06:38PM (#35349030)
Mate is pretty good.

Cinnamon DE is great.

i3wm or ratpoison tho frfr

plasma DE is really nice though; and I use that on my artix install. Love it. It's like windows but it doesn't suck

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by segasaturn on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @06:41PM (#35349067)
I actually like Plasma a lot as well out of the Linux desktop environments, it feels like the only one that actually cares about design and UX. It's a shame that GNOME is the 'default' Linux DE and often the only one with real support from distros.
Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by SLWW on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @09:30PM (#35350862)
That's one of the things that I really can't understand. Gnome is awful and the people who work on it are so out of touch with what users actually want.

Plasma understands that; as well as PLENTY OF OTHER DEs but your casual linux observer just thinks "wow gnome looks ugly" and it does, it always has, i still have absolutely no idea why anyone would roll a distro out with that... mess.

Re:Microsoft's Software Is Malware by loloquwowndueo on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @06:01PM (#35348585)
I prefer the gnome ui to the abomination that is windows :) I'm also able to do basic things like sleep and hibernate my Ubuntu machine without it freaking out.