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Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by paxys on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:05PM (#35264011)
We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. This is what Microsoft does.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by axlee on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:39PM (#35264460)
Or $299 a year for the Apple Developer Program just for the great honor to be able to develop for that platform...
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by booi on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:10PM (#35264921)
that's not entirely fair... you also need a iDevice and some form of new-ish mac as well.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by ericlewis on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:28PM (#35265187)
$299 a year? It is $99.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by drusepth on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:38PM (#35265314)
The Developer Program plan is $99/year and enables distribution via the App Store.

The Developer Enterprise Program plan is $299/year and enables corporate/internal distribution to employees.

Most people only need the first, but the second is also an option. And if you need both, it's technically $398/year for the great honor.

Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by atonse on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:05AM (#35368261)
Most enterprises will spend more than $299 a year just discussing whether they should renew this subscription.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by jjeaff on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:40PM (#35265350)
$99 plus 15-30% of everything you create.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by Terretta on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:50PM (#35265518)
Try selling through Amazon.com and see what % you keep.

Then try selling through a grocery or drugstore chain.

Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by whimsicalism on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:53PM (#35265566)
The difference being I can always walk to a different grocery store without having to pay ~$1k.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by brookst on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:26PM (#35267311)
As a brand, do you get more value from being on Amazon or in a local grocery store?
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by Breza on Monday March 27, 2023 @12:08PM (#35328438)
There's still more competition in the retail space and greater ability to sell across multiple stores simultaneously.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by DeathArrow on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:52PM (#35267565)
Have you tried selling apps trough Amazon or grocery stores?
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by jjeaff on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:23PM (#35320822)
Sure, but I don't have to sell on Amazon. I can sell through my own website and just pay transaction fees if I want. And many companies do just that now.

But good luck trying to sell your new iphone app through your own website.

At least with android, you could sell an APK download or sell through a different app store.

Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by Jerry2 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:20PM (#35268437)
Considering that Youtube takes 45% of every ad dollar spent on videos I make, I'd consider that a bargain.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by xxpor on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:29PM (#35264309)
the MSDN subscription was amazing for me to piggyback off of my dad as a kid though. access to essentially everything in MS's current and back catalog that was even remotely related to dev work, including OSes :)
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by spookthesunset on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:37PM (#35264433)
The best was when you knew somebody who worked at microsoft and could get the company discount!
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by LASR on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @03:14PM (#35265829)
If you knew someone working at MSFT, you would just ask them for some free keys.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by nwatson on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @03:29PM (#35266002)
My old MSDN keys for Windows from ten years ago will still unlock Windows 10/11 installs when I need a Windows VM.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by nirav72 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:53PM (#35264668)
Did individual developers actually pay that? I’ve done quite a bit of development in the MS ecosystem and can’t recall anyone personally paying for MSDN. It was always through their employer that they got access.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by paxys on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:38PM (#35265310)
We will pretty soon get to a point where companies start to volume license Copilot for their entire engineering team, so really the same thing.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by WaxProlix on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:05PM (#35264854)
Consultants and freelancers for sure did - though again that's technically a business expense.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by ghaff on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:29PM (#35265198)
I definitely had some sort of personal MSDN subscription at one point. Plus compilers and the tike were far from free. I had shelves of books. And computers themselves cost more in inflation-adjusted dollars.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by zerkten on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:43PM (#35265408)
Individual developers paying was always an insignificant volume. It was still within reach so devs could get it and be productive. As an example, the cost was fairly insignificant to the many .NET devs who jumped to SharePoint in the 2000s to keep their top rates. People give SP a hard time quite rightly, but as a revenue generator for devs in many markets with limited options, it was a very good choice.

It was priced and designed for companies to be buying as a bundle with other licensing. individual devs would frequently use some of the loopholes through licensing partners to commit to what was basically a three year subscription that spread the cost. For companies, it could mitigate some of the costs associated with the proliferation of environments that needed to be licensed from top-to-bottom. Later, these may stop being eligible for MSDN use and generate more revenue. License auditing was real and gave visibility into this usage.

VMware still have a program like this going for their admin user base. It gets recommended by the r/homelab folks who haven't adopted Proxmox.

Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by arwhatever on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:46PM (#35265452)
I believe that they tended to hand it out for free or very inexpensive to students, substantial trial offerings to new/small businesses, etc.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @03:14PM (#35265835)
While building off of free open source. Perfect.
Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by reaperducer on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:20PM (#35267250)
We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business.

Or $800 for a COBOL|FORTRAN|C|AP/L compiler, plus $600 for a debugger.

At least when you upgraded the next year, you got $20 off!

Re:GitHub Copilot X: The AI-powered developer experience by keithnz on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @09:32PM (#35269444)
msdn subscriptions were great! virtually every single piece of microsoft software. You'd get this huge folder of CDs back in the day!