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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by threeseed on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:21PM (#35127994)
I believed that VCs and startups were mostly good people trying to do the right thing.

But what we've seen in the last few days is utterly despicable behaviour by many of the leading figures driven solely by greed and self-interest.

I think increasingly startups will look to bootstrap in the coming years.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by dj_mc_merlin on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:38PM (#35128226)
The "changing the world" talk is just as hollow as corporate business talk. Just a way to talk about what you're doing without specifically mentioning that "we're doing this to get more money", which is the actual reason anyone ever does anything.

Some founders/investors believe their own BS because that's what a good salesman does.

Being practical and sugar coating words has been the way to do business forever. The startup speak is just a specific flavor of words that's popular in a region/culture now, is representative of the business culture to some degree, but is just as hollow as any pleasantry.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by briandilley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:53PM (#35128401)
> Just a way to talk about what you're doing without specifically mentioning that "we're doing this to get more money", which is the actual reason anyone ever does anything.

blanket statement, also bullshit. Of course money is a driver, but if that's your only driver as an entrepreneur then you're likely not going to be very successful. In fact, this is the primary difference between VCs and builders.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by dj_mc_merlin on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:06PM (#35128565)
Fine, humans are multifaceted creatures and some business owners do actually care about making a change in their market in a positive way. The moment you choose to start a private for-profit business however, you're still forced to optimize your business decisions to favor your own economic growth -- that will end up being the major driving factor behind most decisions. Few people let ideology come between them and large sums of cash.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by yucky on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:49PM (#35128989)

  > The "changing the world" talk is just as hollow as corporate business talk. 
The changing the world talk is just corporate business talk.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by alex_young on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:34PM (#35128166)
What is the “utterly despicable behaviour”? Startups trying to protect their investor’s assets? Banks trying to secure low risk long-term returns? Clearly they should have hedged, but is this really a moral failure?
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by elbigbad on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:43PM (#35128281)
I think of people like David Sacks preaching libertarianism and not taking money from the government until the moment things seemed uncertain at which point he’s practically begging for government bail out.

I think given his influence and hypocrisy this is despicable. But pathetic is another word that comes to mind.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by Apocryphon on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:44PM (#35128301)
I think people are unhappy about the hypocrisy in the form of a special carve out. This class of people, despite their wealth and influence, aren't exactly lobbying for expansion of similar protections for the average person. In fact, who's to say if a lot of these startups weren't just laying off people as part of the crowd recently? So people are mad of the unfairness.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by alex_young on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:57PM (#35128452)
How is it a special carve out? The FDIC protects literally all the other deposits already.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by dismalpedigree on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:02PM (#35128519)
They quite literally made exceptions for SVB and Signature only.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by alex_young on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:03PM (#35129824)
And all the average persons the OP mentioned were already protected. We’ll see if this stops the contagion. It’s in our collective interest that it does.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by tome on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:09PM (#35128604)
Yes, it's a moral failure. Fiduciary duty is often poorly-remunerated and boring. If you can't tolerate that, don't become a fiduciary.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by hello_moto on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:28PM (#35128084)
> I believed that VCs and startups were mostly good people trying to do the right thing.

I have not seen one human being that didn't turn around because of greed.

We are all vulnerable

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by magpi3 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:34PM (#35128179)
I imagine you are not looking too hard. I have met many people who have dedicated their life to service and not greed. Richard Stillman is one if you need an example.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by threeseed on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:30PM (#35128118)
These aren't children. They are grown adults many in the later years of their life.

Nobody is changing their stripes.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by thelittleone on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:52PM (#35128398)
It takes a hobbit.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by hnthrowaway0315 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:29PM (#35128110)
Most people are driven by greed and self interest. Especially VC and Startups, otherwise why did they join the business?
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by lazide on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:31PM (#35128138)
Literally the whole point of a startup is to make a lot of money?
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by czbond on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:48PM (#35128355)
Absolutely - because otherwise the risk to take them on is too high in all measurable terms (time, lost time, lost opportunity, lost capital, emotional toil)
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by dismalpedigree on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:06PM (#35128561)
Unfortunately the finance industry has perverted the purpose of startups and companies as a whole. While it is the way currently, it wasn’t until the past 15 years or so. It used to be you solved a problem or met a need. You made money because of this. It makes me sick that companies’ sole purpose now is to enrich shareholders.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by iancmceachern on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:26AM (#35132296)
Not for many of us. I work in medtech, medical devices specifically. For me it's about bringing new medical treatments to market and therefore to be able to help people with those new devices. Large intrenched medical device manufacturers cannot innovate, they don't know how, so the only way to really innovate AMF bring new medical devices to market is through thr startup pathway.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by throwawaysleep on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:39PM (#35128231)
Why bootstrap? The VCs came through for their companies here. They got the government to change course. Many told their startups ahead of time to pull cash from a failing bank.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by dr_dshiv on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:02PM (#35128523)
> Many told their startups ahead of time to pull cash from a failing bank.

Still pissed about that. It was the proximate cause of the bank run.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by ssnistfajen on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:58PM (#35128471)
Most good people trying to do the right thing eventually reach the conclusion that they should leave the tech/startup scene altogether. There are so many problems in the tech world that we only overlook them because we have a stake in it.
Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by jackcosgrove on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:01PM (#35128516)
> I believed that VCs and startups were mostly good people trying to do the right thing.

I'm sure a lot of mortgage originators in 2006 thought they were doing the right thing by getting risky people into houses before prices rocketed into the stratosphere, because, you know, home values never go down.

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by naet on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:52PM (#35129701)
VCs have always been money managers looking to make a big return on their existing capital. No part of that has ever included being a good person or trying to do the right thing.

It's convenient for tech companies that VC investment strategy involves giving seed money to some startups, but it comes at a price of the VCs having some say over company decisions and a high percentage of ownership (and therefore eventual value).