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Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by joenot443 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:06AM (#35108368)
Was anyone else expecting bodybuilding.com? Not that I spend much time there, but I’ve always liked the forums. One of the few old 2000s style forums left complete with avatars, quote text, shared shibboleth. and a healthy skepticism of newcomers.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by raverbashing on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:14AM (#35108416)
Yes

Rich discussions yes, but also discussions like these https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2rbqzh/bodybuilders_...

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by Gunnerhead on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:48AM (#35109257)
Incredible!
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by nelblu on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:47AM (#35108662)
Also, back in the day there were some legacy bodybuilders giving free advice on those forums. I remember discussing with serge nubret around 2008ish, good old days :)
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by iamacyborg on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:07AM (#35108805)
Similar to the letsrun forum which used to have olympic class coaches (ie Canova) dropping words of wisdom.

It is a toxic hellhole now, unfortunately .

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by zoklet-enjoyer on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:14AM (#35108887)
Bodybuilding.com forums got me interested in nootropics. Those guys are trend setters and some of the first people I would consider biohackers
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by jokowueu on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:28AM (#35109048)
For me it was longecity that got me into nootopics . I got in the first group buy , it was nsi-189 since then I've been invited in underground groups that go far beyond that .

Super interesting world we are living in

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by zoklet-enjoyer on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:12AM (#35109557)
Oh yeah! I was on longecity too
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by jokowueu on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:20AM (#35109673)
If you are interested add me on discord and I'll add you to some rocket chat servers just to look around

zimo54#0415

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by kilroy123 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:32AM (#35109837)
What kind of underground groups?
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by jokowueu on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:40AM (#35109942)
Group buys for meds related to untreatable illnesses, etc through independent chemists or labs either in china or eastern Europe
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by travisporter on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:15AM (#35109596)
I’m still extremely skeptical. How would a newbie go about learning about this stuff? Wiki is not very encouraging
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rTX5CMRXIfFG on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:15AM (#35108890)
Not me, no. I decided to be formally educated in sports science precisely because the internet is awash with disinformation regarding fitness, bodybuilding.com included (and, honestly, HN). There are some posts there that get the science right, but there’s a lot of falsehoods too, or unindividualized, “over-engineered” advice.

On a more on-topic note: I’ve never consciously held ExRx in high regard, but considering how exhaustive and encyclopedic its curation of exercises is, perhaps I should have. One also couldn’t argue that it contains false content because it merely collects exercises instead of prescribing them (unless of course they’ve added some section where they do, which I don’t know of and cannot comment against).

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by pokot0 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:42AM (#35109190)
I feel like every field where science is lagging behind has this problem. Is this not the case? It seems to me that we know very little about how the body works, processes food, etc. Saying "Sports science" feels very different to me than saying (for example) "rigid body physics". The latter can predict the behavior of objects very precisily, the former struggles a lot and can hardly use the scientific method to begin with.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rTX5CMRXIfFG on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:53PM (#35110761)
Sorry, what do you mean we know very little about how the body works and processes food? That sounds to me like fields like medicine or physical therapy or nutrition should be impossible, and yet they exist.

And correct me if I’m wrong but it doesn’t sound like you know the scope of sports science? It’s a combination of the fields that I made an example of above plus physics, too, and many more (such as business and psychology), but oriented specifically for the purposes of sport and recreation.

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by sdwr on Saturday March 11, 2023 @01:28PM (#35111084)
Scientists and "put up or shut up" people optimize for diff things. People who get results, in my experience, do the right things but don't usually have correct explanations.

Part of it is the subconscious figuring out what works, and hanging it onto the closest known concept. The other half is that false beliefs are practical and helpful sometimes.

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by bluGill on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:30PM (#35112922)
The results I want are long term health. That is much harder to measure and study. I can see which exercise methods results in competitive wins quickly (though some may be a few years), but what will my efforts today change about my life span or old age quality of life?
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by sdwr on Saturday March 11, 2023 @07:48PM (#35114902)
I got a dog recently, have been out on walks a lot and talking w other owners. Met a guy with an old dog a few weeks back, she was grey in the muzzle + stiff in the joints, but still moving around happy + unencumbered.

He said she was 20 years old, and his second 20+ y/o one. His said he went by:

- a balance of positive + negative reinforcement

- regular dog food, nothing fancy

and that

- if she was a seeing-eye dog she'd have been dead by 10

My takeaway is that mental stress is a killer. He was letting her have her "dog-nature". Roam around, sniff things, unburdened.

But the #1 has to be people. Everyone withers away alone + takes cues from our environment. The dream is having people around who make it feel natural to be healthy.

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by operator-name on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:47AM (#35109237)
What resources do you consider in high regard?
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rTX5CMRXIfFG on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:59PM (#35110810)
Essentials of Anatomy and Physiology by Scanlon and Sanders

Physiology of Sport and Exercise by Kenney, Wilmore, and Costil.

Strength Training Anatomy by Delavier, though this is more like ExRx and is far less exhaustive

And the above should be more than enough but it won’t harm to read NSCA’s Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning.

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by hash872 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:32PM (#35112945)
>There are some posts there that get the science right

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be uncharitable, but 'exercise science' is not an empirical scientific field like physics or chemistry. It's very difficult to conduct genuine experiments or isolate causes in the human body. It's pretty well-known that lots 'exercise science' studies that prove X were conducted with relatively untrained undergrad volunteers, who would probably gain on any program because they're a) young and b) exercise newbies. Political science has 'science' right in the name too, but I think everyone understands it's not an actual empirical field either (which is fine!)

I'm certainly open to hearing contributions from exercise scientists, but I weight folk wisdom from say the bodybuilding or powerlifting fields at least as heavily

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_envy

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rTX5CMRXIfFG on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:43AM (#35118582)
Look, questioning everything is OK but you need to have the initiative, too, to understand what it is that you’re questioning. And by the looks of it, you don’t seem to have read any reference book on sports science, otherwise you’d know that it uses the same anatomy/physiology foundations upon which the medical field stands, and that it is not the case that there are zero repeatable findings in the field of exercise physiology for you to invalidate the entire body of knowledge.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by hash872 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:23PM (#35124925)
Well, medicine has its own replication problem.

But the broader reason why this analogy doesn't work is that most medical treatments (medical devices, drugs, etc.) are subject to a really stringent approval & evidence of efficacy process. As they should be! But there just isn't anything similar in exercise science. Studies that prove, like, plyometric wall bounces make you more explosive or something are just incredibly underpowered versus the level of evidence required for the FDA to approve a medical device or drug.

If ES studies were somehow conducted with that same level of funding & rigor, I would take them a million times more seriously. In practice, it's an n=10 or 20 study with a bunch of undergrads for a p value of .0501 or something

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rTX5CMRXIfFG on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:23PM (#35130585)
What studies, exactly, prove that plyometric bounces make you more explosive “or something”? More explosive for the purposes of what? Do you even know the principle of specificity? Are you saying that what we call “knowledge” of anatomy and physiology and nutrition are actually invalid because they’re just derived from college students? Are you even aware that meta-analyses exist and that it takes that degree of veracity before studies make it to reference books, or are you really just complaining about pop fitness articles and discussions that you’ve read from bodybuilding.com? I have to ask, sorry, because your line of questioning is so devoid of rigor that you can only be coming from a position of arrogant ignorance, and it’s glaringly obvious.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by theFletch on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:27AM (#35109030)
Yes, that was one of my first resources for online information. I've never heard of the site from the article.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by bbarnett on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:50AM (#35109282)
Indeed! Bodybuilding.com helped this guy too (this is an old, classic post from there):

https://imgur.com/a/EOpfb

Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by dylan604 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:47PM (#35110716)
I was really hoping it would have been something outlandish like website for Richard Simmons.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by rchaud on Saturday March 11, 2023 @02:33PM (#35111788)
That a 24-year old site still exists in largely the same format today, without drowning in a million affiliate links is plenty outlandish.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by inopinatus on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:13PM (#35112767)
As soon as I saw the title I knew it was gonna be exrx.
Re:The Internet’s Richest Fitness Resource Is a Site from 1999 by lr4444lr on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:33PM (#35112954)
I liked the site, but let's be honest: they didn't vet contributors too well, and they were full of contradictory advice.