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Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:45PM (#34999956)
> everyone should get a proper minimum wage, regardless of the line of work they're in, regardless of whether they're performing a direct personal service for you

In America, this is the law. It’s poorly enforced, unfortunately.

Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by talideon on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:35PM (#35000691)
The US has two minimum wages (there's also a "youth" one, but that's a separate issue): the minimum wage for non-tipped employees, and a much lower one for tipped employees, which essentially boils down to whether you're service staff or not.

Now, while individual state may have their own laws around minimum wages above the federal minimum, I find the idea that there two in the first place abhorrent. The current rates are US$7.25 and US$2.13. Neither are remotely livable, but the one for tipped staff is essentially peonage.

So no, this isn't a matter for enforcement. The law is set up to encourage this behaviour.

Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by tzs on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:15PM (#35001332)
The law is that if someone on the tipped minimum wage doesn't make enough in tips to reach the non-tipped minimum wage the employer has to make up the difference.

In effect if the law is actually enforced the minimum wage is $7.25 for both tipped and non-tipped workers, but if you are tipped the first $5.12 of tips goes to the employer.

My understanding is that enforcement of this is not the best.

Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by dfxm12 on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:03PM (#35000192)
I'm not sure why this is (currently) getting downvoted. This is legally correct, at the federal level [0] and at every state level that I'm aware of.

Also, wage theft is a huge issue in the US (and part of the problem is tipped employees not receiving the difference between what they actually made and the minimum wage) and is poorly enforced - https://wageadvocates.com/wage-theft-huge-problem-infographi...

0 - https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Here's a law in PA: https://www.dli.pa.gov/Individuals/Labor-Management-Relation....

Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by hiddencost on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:52PM (#35000046)
Naw. Minimum wage is not a living wage for the vast majority of the population. Hasn't even pretended to pace inflation.
Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday March 02, 2023 @01:56PM (#35000112)
> Minimum wage is not a living wage for the vast majority of the population

Minimum should be just that: minimum. For higher COL cities, the minimum (and tipped minimum, with an obligation to make the minimum if tips prove insufficient) should be higher.

Raising the minimum nationwide to New York City’s COL basically depopulates lower COL places; this is a source of generally misrepresented rural backlash against these broad-based schemes. Imagine if Germany and Greece had the same minimum wage; the latter would get screwed.

(Not arguing that the federal minimum shouldn’t be raised. Just that it should be too low for most of the country, because if it isn’t, it’s too high for some, and that’s a policy failure for a minimum. I haven’t seen a scheme for a dynamic federal minimum; that would make sense.)

Re:Canadians think tipping is ‘getting out of control,’ new ... by hirvi74 on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:09PM (#35000276)
Absolutely.

In my wasteland of a state, TN, our minimum wage has not increased a single cent since 2009, and it is still the same as the Federal Minimum Wage at $7.25.