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Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:10PM (#34990656)
lol, what even is this comment? It's not generalizing to a race, it's generalizing to a culture that happens to be synonymous with a race.

And yes, it's fine to generalize in this sense, sense it's the general opinion.

My source is growing up there. If you want something else, you can find it yourself while continuing to doubt me.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by boomboomsubban on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:23PM (#34990743)
>My source is growing up there

Where did you grow up that simultaneously had a large Aboriginals and Native American population?

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:30PM (#34990784)
I never claimed such a thing. What a ridiculous takeaway.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by boomboomsubban on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:33PM (#34990804)
>He's talking about the fact that Aboriginals, not unlike Native Americans...

They presumably asked for a source for both claims, your only provided one says you lived among them. Either you grew up among both populations or have provided no source for one of your claims.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:54PM (#34990925)
You presumed wrong.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by boomboomsubban on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:20PM (#34991110)
I don't see where that person specified which claim they wanted a source for, but I'll ask for a source for both claims.

I still have no idea if you grew up among Aboriginals or Native Americans, or what makes you so confident about the other race/culture's beliefs.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:19PM (#34991512)
Just curious, but are you on the spectrum? Or an ESL speaker?

Context makes it clear which claim they were asking for.

In any case, I'm not providing a source. This is a somewhat commonly known thing, and I was speaking from personal experience. If you're still really unsure where I grew up, you can probably figure it out from my other comments.

Feel free to search for whatever you find sufficient to corroborate my claims, or continue to be skeptical (as you should). I don't mind either way.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by boomboomsubban on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:31AM (#34993416)
Really? Replying to a request for sources with personal attacks?
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:40AM (#34993460)
No.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by defrost on Thursday March 02, 2023 @09:31PM (#35005098)
> This is a somewhat commonly known thing, and I was speaking from personal experience.

Which makes you Speaker for the Religuous Beliefs of the Bulk of Aboriginal Australians?

Yeah, right .. just keep digiging that hole deeper Kartiya.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by dragonwriter on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:16PM (#34990696)
Its not doing X to Y, its doing X to Z which is synonymous to Y is…a contradiction.

IF Z is a synonym for Y, doing X to Z is doing X to Y.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:31PM (#34990787)
Trying to map natural language statements to formal logic doesn't work well, unless you make a ton of assumptions as you have here...and then it still doesn't work well.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by defrost on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:28PM (#34991163)
Growing up where?

Australia? (big country) .. Western Desert (kind of specific) .. Redfern (very urban) .. etc.

Can you roughly indicate on a map?

There's a lot of different language groups and cultures, a lot of religuous beliefs, and a broad spread of skills both old and new.

https://mgnsw.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/map_col_high...

( FWiW I grew up in the Kimberley not far from the Mungalalu Truscott Airbase and am currently on Ballardong land )

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by tjmc on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:51PM (#34991325)
So just so I understand, your source is growing up in one of the several hundred separate Aboriginal nations of Australia, most of whom have completely different languages and are dispersed across a vast nation as big as the continental United States and he speaks for all of them. Got it.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:21PM (#34991528)

  Got it.
Do you though? I doubt it.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by monstertank on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:29PM (#34992030)
I just read your comments, and you seem to be saying your subjective experience amounts to evidence (for you, which is fine)

But the argument was that this was an emotionally charged topic and you displayed that while appearing to argue the opposite.

As a fellow Australian, I understand the over sensitivity, especially due to the Voice crap that's going on atm.

As for generalizing racially, I agree, it makes no sense. Which is why the voice thing sounds stupid to me.

I feel like there are two groups of indigenous peoples growing in Australia. What I call the 'technically aboriginals' and 'actual aboriginals' and I realize this might marginalize those with partial ancestry.

I often wonder if the voice is just being pushed by super liberal very light skinned aboriginals (that to me probably never suffered real discrimination) or outback dark skinned tribal bush aboriginals (that are discriminated against on site). I feel like the more bush you go, the more conservative you get...idk

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:48PM (#34992125)
No, I'm not talking about subjective experience at all.

ALL that happened was that I made a generalization, and other people wanted to contest it because, well, they could. It's not more complicated than that.

It's basically if I said most action movies have a car chase or gun fight, and someone wanted to die on the hill claiming that that generalization is inaccurate and not all action movies have to have a gun fight or car chase.

I agree though that the discrimination of aboriginals is politicized though, and it shouldn't be.

Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by riatin on Thursday March 02, 2023 @12:33AM (#34992353)
Based on my (very) subjective experience, a lot of the noise around the Voice + Invasion Day is being created by people with extremely tenuous links to indigenous heritage - which I think is maybe shifting away from what could be much more positive outcomes for truly marginalised Aboriginals.
Re:Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry by sgt on Thursday March 02, 2023 @07:46AM (#34994999)
Basically white people who - to their delight - realized they are "aboriginals".