Meanwhile, I remember reading full ebooks on my Pentium which were rendered as a single HTML file with zero lag.

To be fair, despite all the other ways that Slack runs rings around Teams, rendering speed isn’t one of them.

But, yeah, you’d think this would be an easy opportunity for a big win for Teams.

Huh, going the other way, I didn’t notice it get much worse; Slack seemed slow, and so did Teams, but not overwhelmingly slower. Might not have been “rendering” proper, could have been network topology of our orgs installations of each and more latency to Slack than Teams, or something like that.

It rolls back to the past, but lags, so it ends up showing you the wrong part of the history, rolling back to the present or a indeterminate past all while not showing what you searched for.

I'm fine with asking the meeting organizer to have an account but the participants should just be able to use the web client with a minimum of hassle.

Plus it doesn't work on any browser, even if said browser has capability to run it, or on mobile, unless you install their app.

They proceeded to primarily use Teams as a chatroom to let people know when the Zoom meetings were starting.

Must be nice. For me it simply refuses to start or join any meeting, gives a useless error message about trying again later.

Poor discoverability of, basically, everything, paste doesn’t support standard options like pasting text only without formatting, so cutting and pasting from format documents takes either manual format correction or using a third app to paste without formatting and the cut again to avoid the ransom-note look. Formatting that supports Markdown entry (kind of), but only Word-style WYSIWIG editing. Teams text chat is a major let down coming from, say, Slack.

Word has some ribbon bullshit: https://www.howtogeek.com/679956/how-to-paste-text-without-f...

It may not be to your liking but isn't it a bit dramatic to say "worst-in-class" without including the "for me" caveat?

I could integrate with my Slack channel in a few hours. I’ve made multiple attempts with teams but it’s just impenetrable (and as far as I’ve found you just cannot integrate with chat at all).

One good example is that teams now tries harder to autoformat code. It will refuse to treat something copied from an IDE as just text, automatically put it into some random quote style box, and the process of getting your cursor out of that box to continue writing your message changes and is inconsistent over time. If the recipient of that message then tries to copy and paste that code, the formatting and raw text content will have been changed in unexpected ways, and you have to manually fix it. This is such a stupidly simple and expected use for a chat app in software development workspaces yet it probably isn't an allowed use case at microsoft. Microsoft fired their QA department, so any code path in any app not regularly used by Microsoft staff internally is pretty much garanteed to wander, be inconsistent, randomly break, and change in unnecessary ways.

Also try to right click on an open image and click copy. Then paste in another application (even a Microsoft one). Comes out as a base64 string. This been broken for years.

I expect a chat program to show me all messages the have been sent in a chat, in so far the other party intends me to view them (have no been deleted etc.). That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

I expect an edit (mine or someone elses) to be reflected on all my devices. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

I expect to do the same series of keystrokes in a blank "chat input" field and get the same result. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

I expect the text that I see as have been sent to appear the same (for a reasonable value of "same") on the other persons screen. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

I expect that if I scroll to the bottom, I will be able to make the last message intended to be visible, become readable and copyable. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

I expect that when I select a text and press "ctrl-c" or the local equivalent, the text now in my clipboard is always predictable. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill.

And yes, I have personally seen and experienced each and every one of this things.

As best I could tell, my client would simply lose connection to the server entirely silently. Normally I would find out when trying to send a message to someone, and noticing the delivery animation/indicator was not appearing. Restart Teams and boom, here's a little pile of messages I'd missed.

I see it getting pushed a lot by companies using 365 and in particular all of Microsoft’s security setup stuff (like Authenticator wanting to own your phone), so you have to confine your communications to within the walled garden.

I think higher ups like the fact that it integrates with their outlook calendar (although the teams calendar itself fails to meet expectations for a calendar for the same reasons above - that is, like chat, I expect to see the latest updates to the calendar but they do not appear without an explicit refresh… like it’s still 1999 or something).

Let’s say there’s a chat message with a sentence or two I want to copy/paste elsewhere. I highlight just the text I want and hit copy, and then when I go to paste, Teams has ‘helpfully’ copied not just the highlighted text but also the rest of the message and the metadata such as who wrote the message and the time stamp.

Every day using teams I encounter things like this that frustrate and annoy me.

It’s also one of the few tools I answer customer surveys on so I can share the annoyances back with Microsoft - and at least some of them seem to slowly get fixed (eg clicking show message from the search results now takes you to the message in context whereas previously it would just show the message by itself in the center of the screen with no way to see the surrounding conversation).

Anyway, yes, in my experience Teams is definitely worst-in-class.

It has good outlook calendar integration; joining from a single click in my calendar view is much nicer than having to open the occurrence & find the zoom link.

But What trips me up is that we have a sister company, which also uses Teams. For some reason, when they send invites, I have to open the meeting details and click on the link to join. This happens in both Outlook and Teams' calendar module.

It has enforced outlook calendar integration; by default you create a Teams meeting whenever you create a meeting, choosing to implement the meeting in a competing product is annoying at best.