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Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by detrites on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:17PM (#34757466)
Is there a plausible explanation as to why the US government has not announced objects 2 & 3 are balloons, if they are balloons? They call them "objects", yet must know what they are. They wouldn't randomly missile unknowns.

If it's for reasons of secrecy, why announce it at all? The second one was in the middle of nowhere, it could easily have been ignored, or dismissed as a military exercise if anyone had made a fuss about it.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by stevenhuang on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:35PM (#34757630)
Could be they thought it was a balloon originally hence the immediate press conference, but now they've received conflicting accounts from the pilots (some reported experiencing sensor interference for example) so they're not sure what they are anymore.

Apparently the Alaska object shattered upon impact against the ice. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/02/pentagon-shoots-down...

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by bmitc on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:48PM (#34758179)
I know this is Hollywood magic thinking, but in the the spirit of no dumb questions, for an object like this, are there no capture devices besides just letting it crash?
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by mxkopy on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:10PM (#34758341)
Helicopters are really expensive and that's the only way I can think of getting a delta V low enough so the device, tether or aircraft doesn't shatter/snap on capture.

But more importantly, it sends a message - don't fuck with our airspace, we won't even send body bags

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by JohnBooty on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:11PM (#34759630)
It's not a dumb question at all. What you're suggesting is not entirely without precedent:

https://www.space.com/281-sky-capture-nasa-bring-genesis-ear...

However, that was a known harmless object on a known trajectory versus an unknown and possibly hostile object.

Additionally, helicopters can't fly nearly high enough for these. 25,000 feet vs 40,000+ feet.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by crazygringo on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:22PM (#34764667)
I've had the same question, and it seems like there aren't really.

It's too high for helicopters or rotor drones so there's no kind of aircraft that can get their quickly and just hover next to it and retrieve it. (And sending an airship would be so slow and hard to control I'm not sure you could ever get it to reliably intercept in a reasonable amount of time.)

So since you've necessary got to launch something at speed, the only conceivable capture device would seem to necessarily involve 1) a missile to puncture and deflate the balloon/buoyant part, 2) a giant net to wrap the entire thing, and 3) a parachute attached to the net to let it down gently.

But I can't even begin to imagine how you'd get all three elements working together reliably, rather than interfering with each other.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dogma1138 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:31PM (#34757597)
Because at least the 2nd object wasn’t, it was described as a cylinder about the size of a car which is where all the UFO tic-tac victory mark memes came from.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by krapp on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:49PM (#34757745)
> Because at least the 2nd object wasn’t, it was described as a cylinder about the size of a car

Source?

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by stevenhuang on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:15PM (#34757935)
> One official told ABC News that the object was “cylindrical and silver-ish gray” and gave the “balloon-like” appearance of floating without “any sort of propulsion”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/alaska-myste...

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by 00deadbeef on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:17PM (#34757953)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-shoots-high-altitude-obje...

> It was described as "cylindrical and silver-ish gray" and seemed to be floating, a U.S. official said.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-shoots-down-unknown-object-fly...

> The object, shot down on the order of President Joe Biden, was flying at a high altitude of about 40,000ft and was the size of a small car, the White House said.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by krapp on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:24PM (#34757996)
Ok. To be fair, all of that could still describe a balloon. Per the ABC news article:

    "It did not appear to have maneuverability capability, he said. "It was virtually at the whim of the wind."
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by golem14 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:44PM (#34758150)
Sounds like a zeppelin
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by andrewflnr on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:20PM (#34758426)
Yeah, I know it's possible to create a blimp that size, since I've seen smaller ones as toys.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dtx1 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:50PM (#34757754)
Yeah, source please, i have not read anything about this and that would be HIGHLY interesting.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dumbaccount123 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:26PM (#34758023)
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by thorawayz on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:56PM (#34758234)
I recall there being myths of third Reich cigar UFOs.

Maybe Blue Beam is in effect.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by yumraj on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:20PM (#34757483)
Could be Drones?
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by consumer451 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:26PM (#34757543)
Drones have relatively limited range.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dogma1138 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:35PM (#34757629)
MALE/HALE UAVs have an endurance of 30> hours and a range of nearly 4-5000 (7000km>) nautical miles without aerial refueling.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by consumer451 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:37PM (#34757647)
Thanks, I had no idea regarding range. Although, if launched from mainland China a round-trip to Canada is still pretty darn far, eh?

But now I am playing the guessing game a bit too much for my own liking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-altitude_long-endurance...

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dogma1138 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:50PM (#34757757)
You assume it was launched from the ground, both air and sea launches are quite possible too.

Also there is the Arctic you can take off and land on ice and use either an icebreaker or a sub for deployment and recovery.

China does have some advanced drones with a substantial range e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_WZ-7_Soaring_Dragon

Ofc how they perform in reality vs their published specs no one knows.

In the past at least likes of China and Russia tended to inflate the specs that they made public whilst the west tended to keep the real figures hidden and release far more conservative figures especially when it came to things like maximum speed, range and operational ceiling.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by sleepybrett on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:30PM (#34758049)
Sure, but those have wings. A cylinder would have to maintain altitude with some kind of thrust. Lets imagine something like a jet engine oriented vertically. How much flight time do you think that could manage?
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dogma1138 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:42PM (#34758619)
I don’t personally think that the 2nd object was a drone at least not a traditional aircraft UAV, I just replied to correct the assumption that drones have a relatively short range and low endurance.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by sokoloff on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:35PM (#34757631)
That’s no moon.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by notatoad on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:57PM (#34757815)
most plausibly it's because it's a balloon carrying something, not just a balloon, and the bit that is worth shooting down is the bit that's not a balloon.

they said the second object was freely drifting and not self-propelled or guided, so whether it's technically a balloon or just something that behaves like a balloon is kind of irrelevant to anybody who isn't working for whatever government department is tasked with analyzing it.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by partiallypro on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:28PM (#34758031)
They are now saying they don't know how it was staying airborne (no visible balloon or propulsion) and when they approached to observe it interfered with instrumentation.

Source: https://twitter.com/ZaidSabah/status/1624527081026486274

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by justin66 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:29PM (#34759406)
"They" are definitely not speaking for the US government.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by partiallypro on Monday February 13, 2023 @01:08PM (#34777565)
The Pentagon confirmed this on Sunday, which is why they said they weren't referring to them as balloons. They did hint that it's likely that the balloon part may be within the object itself to obscure its true nature. I don't think they are saying it's aliens, just that a pass by couldn't determine the exact nature of the object.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by nop_slide on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:48PM (#34758665)
There’s also a 4th over Montana right now.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by nmeofthestate on Sunday February 12, 2023 @05:38AM (#34761772)
Turned out to be a radar anomaly AIUI.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by datavirtue on Sunday February 12, 2023 @09:19AM (#34762962)
Right, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Just because we shot down a balloon recently everyone on here seems to assume the two new objects are also balloons.