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Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by Overtonwindow on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:15PM (#34757446)
Serious question: was there ever any doubt that US military could shoot something down out of the sky no matter how high it flies? If they are doing this to determine capabilities, it's like staking at a grocery store to see if it sells milk.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by dirtyid on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:23PM (#34757521)
Removing doubt has value. If US has to shift to another platform to hit 80k feet ballon reveals specific capabilities. Like if US has to start using advanced ground based interceptors, it will inform PRC on constraints relevant in IndoPac scenario. If US has to break out asat tier weapons, ASM135 cost 5B for ~15 missiles then PRC can start developing capabilities to accordingly to shift strategic math. Imagine if balloon threat forces US to reorient billions on homeland balloon defense, that's potentially billions not going elsewhere.

E:over post limit but Streak Eagle was high performances preproduction airframe specifially designed to hit 100k for a few minutes. Hard to say if current blocks can do the same or reliable prosecute mission at 100k, finding out is value itself.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by sokoloff on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:34PM (#34757623)
US has flown F-15 (and F-104 for that matter) to over 100K feet MSL. China knows this already.
Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by mcphage on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:02PM (#34757849)
Of course, if the US expects that the Chinese are using this to test our capabilities, then they could use that to undersell their capabilities.

And then the Chinese, knowing the US would use it to undersell capabilities…

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by JohnBooty on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:05PM (#34759601)
Yeah. I'm kind of flabbergasted by 99.9% of the comments on this topic, which assume the US is just chasing these things blindly without taking countermeasures.

The F-22 and other "stealth" jets can carry radar reflectors to intentionally make themselves EXTREMELY visible on radar.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/82798/how-does-...

Why would they carry such a thing? For one, it helps reduce the risk of accidents during training and other situations where they are flying in friendly skies. Two, helps prevent nosy enemies from learning about the true radar cross section of these planes.

It's hard to find concrete information on the USAF's practices here, for the obvious reasons.

The following is speculation, but: one imagines that the F-22/F-35/etc carry these as standard practice when not flying combat missions/patrols. One also imagines that they can be jettisoned midflight (like drop fuel tanks) in case e.g. a patrol turns into a spicy situation. That's a guess, I don't know if that's true.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by sundvor on Sunday February 12, 2023 @02:11AM (#34760630)
Tangential, but you may also want to fill the skies with noise when flying a stealth mission.

The rationale being that you may be able to hear a cat's claws on floorboards in the middle of the dead night, but you'd never hear it in the middle of a rave party. So pairing F-22s with eg F-15s becomes a valid strategy.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by cwillu on Sunday February 12, 2023 @09:09AM (#34762905)
> Tangential, but you may also want to fill the skies with noise when flying a stealth mission.

Obviously simplifying, but that's the essence of what ECM is.

Re:US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada by JohnBooty on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:55PM (#34759549)
They could be observing specific things about the planes sent to intercept them, such as their heat signatures and radar cross sections.

But also, don't assume that the US was naive here. The USAF is pretty good at electronic warfare. It's very possible they were jamming the object's sensors in various ways.