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Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @12:45PM (#34711741)
I handle it by collecting quotes that tell me to knock it off. I've since started to focus on just the things I really care about:

    The purpose of knowledge is action, not knowledge.
    ― Aristotle
    
    Knowledge isn't free. You have to pay attention  
    ― Richard Feynman
    
    "Information is not truth"  
    ― Yuval Noah Harari  
    
    If I were the plaything of every thought, I would be a fool, not a wise man. 
    ― Rumi
    
    Dhamma is in your mind, not in the forest. You don't have to go and look anywhere else.
    ― Ajahn Chah
     
    Man has set for himself the goal of conquering the world, 
    but in the process he loses his soul.
    ― Alexander Solzhenitsyn
    
    The wise man knows the Self,  
    And he plays the game of life.  
    But the fool lives in the world  
    Like a beast of burden.  
    ― Ashtavakra Gita (4―1)

    We must be true inside, true to ourselves, 
    before we can know a truth that is outside us.   
    ― Thomas Merton

    Saying yes frequently is an additive strategy. Saying no is a subtractive strategy. Keep saying no to a lot of things - the negative and unimportant ones - and once in awhile, you will be left with an idea which is so compelling that it would be a screaming no-brainer 'yes'.
    - unknown
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by pwuadi on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:23PM (#34712365)
I like this, thanks
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by marketdev on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:45PM (#34712743)
Thank you.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by endymi0n on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:15PM (#34713254)
I like it, will steal some. I followed the same strategy and always added relevant content to this doc, then forcing myself to read it every day. It‘s a non-attributed mashup of several sources. because it‘s from my personal notes:

—- Core Question: Is what I‘m currently doing helpful to my goals?

Get Bored. Get Calm. Enjoy boredness.

Whatever happens on the front page, I’m never involved. It seems like the whole thing would work just as well even if nobody ever read the Times or watched the cable chat shows. It’s a closed system.

Breaking News is most often wrong and later corrected by more breaking news.

But if that’s true on a scale of minutes, why longer? Instead of watching hourly updates, why not read a daily paper? Instead of reading the back and forth of a daily, why not read a weekly review? Instead of a weekly review, why not read a monthly magazine? Instead of a monthly magazine, why not read an annual book?

Following the news isn’t just a waste of time, it’s actively unhealthy. Edward Tufte notes that when he used to read the New York Times in the morning, it scrambled his brain with so many different topics that he couldn’t get any real intellectual work done the rest of the day.

Its obsession with the criminal and the deviant makes us less trusting people. Its obsession with the hurry of the day-to-day makes us less reflective thinkers. Its obsession with surfaces makes us shallow.

I have not followed the news for a long time. My life does not seem to be impoverished for it; indeed, I think it has been greatly enhanced. But I haven’t found many other people who are willing to take the plunge.

News makes our inner opinion volcano boil and that is toxic!

Uncontrolled input prevents rest, relaxation and output. All this massive time that is lost is ultimately YOURS! I am good to myself. I am worth it to myself not to stuff myself with poison!

Bad news is toxic for your body:

By consuming all of this news (which is nearly all bad news), you’re stressing your body out, weakening its ability to fight off infection, and potentially causing digestive and growth problems.

The really bad news is that news consumption is a vicious cycle that’s hard to get out of. Stress weakens your willpower. Without the willpower to put your phone down or turn off your computer, you’re likely to consume more and more news. And so the pattern continues.

“We are training our brains to pay attention to crap.”

The more a person consumes multiple types of media, the fewer brain cells there were in the anterior cingulate cortex. This is the part of the brain responsible for attention span and moral deliberation. You can no longer concentrate on books and longer articles. Your mind gives up after just a few paragraphs without absorbing any of the content. And you begin to suffer from anxiety.

After all, it is also part of freedom of opinion not to have an opinion.

Reading the news doesn’t help you change the world for the better. Ignore it or do something.

You need to make a complete break. The best way to do this is to push through 30 days of no news at all. By the end of those 30 days, you’ll hopefully reach the point where you don’t feel the urge to peek at the headlines.

What do you REALLY want in life?

To be really successful at something, you need to dedicate yourself to it fully. Albert Einstein, Frida Kahlo, and Beethoven didn’t become greats in their respective fields by scrolling through news feeds every few moments. They simply couldn’t have done, wasting all of that time. —-

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by wkat4242 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:50PM (#34713851)
Totally agree. I've also disconnected from everything but the tech news and not missing anything. We had a discussion recently where people were amazed some hadn't heard of the Turkey earthquake 12 hours later. I only learned of it 1 hour before that.

But really what does it matter? Anything really important will reach me anyway. And there's nothing I can do about most of it. I also can't care about every single person in the world. Even if I know about bad stuff happening I can't help it.

I just read the local paper website once a day now, and that's enough. Anything important like this in Turkey will show up there too. And most of the local news is about stuff that actually affects me.

I also don't have a TV subscription anymore. I don't watch anything live, and have zero interest in watching sports so I just had no need for it anymore. Same with social media, if I could still just follow my friends like they used to offer I would, but they don't. They try to make me engage with low quality nonsense which pushes me away.

The only interruptions I get now is from instant messaging, but most of the people I know and all group chats I have muted and I just check in on their chats when I feel like it. So no notifications there. Only the most important people get through.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by bojo on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:31PM (#34715507)
> Uncontrolled input prevents rest, relaxation and output. All this massive time that is lost is ultimately YOURS!

Love this take. Thanks for saying it, has enriched my day today.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by antihero on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:16PM (#34713271)
“Beware the barrenness of a busy life” - Socrates
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:32PM (#34717936)
That's going in my file!
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by linkjuice4all on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:27PM (#34713466)
I'm surprised to not see Pascal's quote in this list:

"All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone"

...but maybe that better sums up OP's issue rather than a solution.

Either way you'll need to take steps to make it harder to do the things you're currently doing (e.g. get a dumb phone, set up a firewall rule to block these sites, set a timer) but there might be a deeper underlying issue of having nothing better to do.

Perhaps making other aspects of your life more difficult will eat up this idle time while also providing more fulfillment. I've personally found that riding a bike to get food at some place farther away (as opposed to eating at home, ordering food, or just driving somewhere) is an excellent way to detach digitally, get some exercise, and force yourself to see new parts of your town/city. Obviously this doesn't work for everyone but the gist of this is to force yourself to take time to do something unexpected and difficult and find your reward in that instead of reading every HN thread, checking every email, and responding to all the memes your friends send.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:14PM (#34716195)
> "All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone"

I have that one in my quotes file but it's just a big text file and not easily searched by subject. I need to add tags.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by 50 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:50PM (#34717502)
One of my favorite pastimes (which allowed me to have a more fruitful relationship with my computer): Living in the Santa Cruz mountains, sauntering in the woods, swimming in a creek, basking in a meadow, biking down into town for coffee and bookstore scouring, and taking the city bus back up. It's just not the same in the Los Angeles greater area.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:31PM (#34717930)
The bookstore scouring has sadly gone way downhill in Santa Cruz since the closure of Logo's used books.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by 50 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @08:48PM (#34718686)
I experienced the closure of The Literary Guillotine, the small, academic bookstore, in the fall of 2019. But on the other side of the same block, there's Bad Animal[1]: not interested in the modern look and the restaurant half, they have an incredibly impressive selection of used/new books at reasonable prices - it was my go-to spot.

There's wishing the town returns to being affordable because high costs only rids places of their proper energy. Despite being in my mid-twenties, these days I, maybe foolishly, dream of living in Bonny Doon.

1. https://www.badanimalbooks.com/

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by anilakar on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:52AM (#34721316)
> get a dumb phone

I've found a simple "productivity apps only" policy to be enough. Instant messengers, browser, email, banking app, bus ticket.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by flakeoil on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:02AM (#34721392)
But the browser has everything.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by sw104 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:03AM (#34721832)
Then you put a 10 minute timer on the browser. Enough for lookups, not enough to waste time.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by temp0826 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:29PM (#34713512)
Sounds like an addictive hobby (:
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by zzzbra on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:58PM (#34713968)
Thank you for this -- adding these to my quotes Anki deck.

I would also add to these the TS Elliot quote from his work, the Rock:

> “Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?”

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by dinkleberg on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:46PM (#34716670)
I’m curious, how do you use quotes in your anki deck? Do you do a card like “What did TS Elliot say about knowledge?” And have the answer be the quote?
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by schimmy_changa on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:15PM (#34742553)
I'm also curious! If anyone has ideas, please let me know...
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by zzzbra on Friday February 10, 2023 @06:32PM (#34747516)
The approach I take with quotes is more subjective than it is with almost all of my other cards, since it would pointless to really judge whether or not I know some piece of maybe abstruse wisdom, I just rate it on a subjective grading of, how well am I living my life relative to this statement, and if it feels like it's something I'm really lacking I'll fail it or mark it hard. The card has no back, something that I also do for more axiomatic pieces of CS theory as well, where it's too difficult to meaningfully capture the whole idea in many different question-answers.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by dinkleberg on Sunday February 12, 2023 @08:38AM (#34762715)
That seems like a reasonable approach, I’ll have to give that a try.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by crosen99 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:11PM (#34714212)
Nice list. What helps me:

“A preoccupation with the means is a lack of commitment to the end.”

In this context, the means is knowledge. And for me, the end is building things. So, I try always to be building something (in my work or avocationally), and the high I get from that helps to resist the craving to know more about how to build things.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by bohemian_hobo on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:56PM (#34714986)
those are some potent quotes right there
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by adversaryIdiot on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:28PM (#34715471)
It'd be cool if you could provide a brief explanation of what each quote means to you. Quotes can sometimes be hard to interpret when they're out of context.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:20PM (#34716294)
Through self-awareness and self-knowledge comes right thinking, and it is right thinking that will bring peace and joy. - Krishnamurti

What they mean to me is to focus on the questions important to me. An easier way to put it is the example of writing a book. For a long time you do a lot of research and collect information. At some point you have to start writing the book which means turning your collection into a story. Once I got in this mode, I stopped "fear of missing out" about things I was never going to learn. There's just too much. My mind is limited. I'm hopeful that AI will help me with this focus.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by eBombzor on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:55PM (#34715882)
Okay... so what about academic research?
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:45PM (#34716650)
What about it?
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by eBombzor on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:46PM (#34716665)
What "action" does the knowledge from academic research provide to a grad student?
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:14PM (#34717031)
I think the sentiment is not to avoid learning or reading, but to have a purpose.

If you are miserable reading academic research papers in your basement everyday for no reason, I would recommend you reconsider.

If you are reading them because you want to cure cancer or get a job, then that's really a different scenario.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by chki on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:01PM (#34716871)
It enables action. Knowledge is not pointless but it is not the end goal. An education is not pointless but it is meant to lead to some action afterwards like designing a house after studying architecture. That action might even be creating more knowledge (both by researching and teaching), if you are thinking about a career in academia.

I'm actually not sure whether I fully agree, I think that knowledge can also be a goal in and of itself sometimes.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by 50 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:48PM (#34716693)
It seems to me distraction hinges on some imaginative falsivity. Kafka, in effect: "Life is a continual distraction which does not even allow us to reflect on that from which we are being distracted."
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by aloer on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:52PM (#34716744)
In the context of quotes I will throw in what I read on reddit the other day:

  Addiction is giving up everything for one thing, 
  sobriety is giving up one thing for everything
Unfortunately knowing quotes is not enough to kick the habit. Too much time spent on reddit and HN :/
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by labrador on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:55AM (#34720568)
That's a great quote, probably heard in a meeting
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by 4ggr0 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:56AM (#34721347)
What I struggle with is that I'm not really addicted to X, I just think that I have an addictive personality in general (could be related to me being ADD).

If I delete Reddit I'll just end up on another platform, if I stop gaming I'll start watching more movies, if I start reading physical books instead of watching movies I'll just read all the time. If I don't have substance Y at home I'll just not consume it, but if I have it I'll do, and if I have substance Z at home instead I'll just consume that one.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by whywhywouldyou on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:01PM (#34718790)
So the top comment/advice on HN about how to avoid information overload is to collect a list of information to remind you to stop addictively collecting information.

Sounds about right.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by goldfeld on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:18PM (#34718922)
I know it's weird but here has been my ANALOG solution to HN information consumption and even to tab overload (a chronic incurable autoimmune disease I acquired when just leaving my teens, during college life, which may have impeded my growth).

I write much, sci-fi and always draft some articles (but never publish), so that keeping up with HN is a sort of reference material building activity, other than it I don't go on twitter, IG, reddit, slack, mastodon or whatever IRC channel, so I try to make the most of my constrained addiction, but it's always tough work to clean up a browser tab accumulation, as the Feynman quote quips, it's costly, you have to pay attention:

The method involves a paper notebook, which I use whenever I can in lieu of a PC for drafting, taking notes, planning etc. On a two-page spread I start sth like an index by arbitrary useful topics of my current researches. Each line is a one or two word topic, after the word I simply list the HN IDs separated by comma. It's nice to save individual comment threads or whole posts using the same interface. When useful I write a little two word note on top of the number. In this fashion I close dozens or hundreds of tabs and postpone/defer reading the interesting conversations to when I will take action upon it e.g. by writing a short story or poetry or articles. I also use the GTD golden 2-min rule: if I can read and/or take action on a useful discussion or link posted in a few minutes, I do it on the spot and close the HN post forever. Done.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by whywhywouldyou on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:34PM (#34719059)
This sounds like a reasonable approach, with an explanation on how you personally execute it. The top comment is just a statement, and a very odd one at that, given the context of the original question.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by mousetree on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:16AM (#34721103)
There’s no need to be dismissive. If these quotes help OP then that’s great. They seem to be helpful to a lot of others here too.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by lobocinza on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:16AM (#34721916)
I do something but on the computer. I issue `j w` on the terminal, which means journal write, to create a new time coded entry and open it on an editor where I copy the URL and any immediate thought I have in my mind. Most people will just bookmark and forget which I also do often. Anyway, we replaced a tab overload problem with a notes/bookmarks overload.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by goldfeld on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:56AM (#34723238)
I used to swear by org-mode until I realized I’ll never look at nested folders and files again.

Maybe you could automate pasting the url by copying it beforehand and having the new entry draw it from the clipboard.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by lobocinza on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:40PM (#34732737)
> I used to swear by org-mode until I realized I’ll never look at nested folders and files again.

I do look at mine extensively. Though I invested a significant amount of time organizing them. Having a way of quickly searching notes and previewing their contents does help. I use fzfx, which is basically opinionated shell functions on top of fzf to do the search. In the future I want to autosync the public notes to my site and implement an improved search system there.

> Maybe you could automate pasting the url by copying it beforehand and having the new entry draw it from the clipboard.

C-C + C-V isn't a huge hassle at least for me. I have a bind on Neovim to format the link in Markdown format so I don't have to type []() and carefully paste the link in the right place but honestly I always forget to use and lately I'm just pasting the raw link and not caring about formatting. I think formatting should be done automatically in the background. In the future I may adapt or write a formatter for those niche cases. It can be triggered by a save or pre-commit hook (everything is in a repo inside a single monorepo). Might even hook up a LLM to it. Developing my own Notion lol.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by goldfeld on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:51PM (#34744819)
Yes, fzf is amazing, back when I used and customized my linux box a lot finding out about it was a breakthrough in experience and speed of usage. My dotfiles suffered so much bitrot after over five years of not using them (it's on GH goldfeld/dotfiles the mess of both nvim and emacs init files) that I still think of cleaning them up and using one of those editors again, someday.. I guess. Ironically today my only interaction with the world of tech is as a user (not API coding, just end user) of AI[1]. By the way you seem to be a portuguese-speaking fellow (I assume also by the username's gender) and so am I.

[1] as a matter of fact today I "launched" (on a barren desert let's say) a substack newsletter to feature code reviews by the chatG man (and soon feature open source AI projects too), and at first I'm having it review the old Vim plugins I once authored, including vim-seek on next issue, if you want to be my first subscriber, lol: https://generativereview.substack.com/p/the-generative-revie...

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by lobocinza on Friday February 10, 2023 @08:02PM (#34748335)
I see that you're a capixaba fellow. I added it to my RSS reader.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by goldfeld on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:15PM (#34765200)
Thanks! now I’m curious! you can also reach me on tw @vicgoldfeld
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by lobocinza on Sunday February 12, 2023 @04:17PM (#34767091)
I'm not on TW anymore but I'm danisztls on GH. And I'm dani at foostodon.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by rollcat on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:27AM (#34724368)
I think there's a parallel to what someone (can't find the link) called "human vs elven" technology.

"Human" technology focuses on adapting the natural world to one's needs, the ultimate result being the whole natural world removed / replaced by said technology.

"Elven" technology focuses on adapting oneself, to remove the need to rely on, or change the natural world. The ultimate end being the complete removal of oneself from the natural world (while continuing to exist, of course). However that process still requires you to take "human" steps to ensure survival and progress.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by jvm___ on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:10PM (#34718864)
Don't listen to your brain, it doesn't even have arms, stop letting it push you into things or hold you back.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMY6dDMx7/

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by ChocMontePy on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:32AM (#34721212)
> The purpose of knowledge is action, not knowledge.

> ― Aristotle

If the quote works for you, that's all good.

But for the other people adding it to their quote list, it's unlikely to be a real Aristotle quote. In the Nicomachean Ethics Aristotle concludes that the highest activity of human life is contemplation or speculative thinking.

Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by zoom6628 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @06:19AM (#34722355)
I try to deal with it by action. But the best thing for me has been running. Get physically away from devices.
Re:Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet add... by zoom6628 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:53AM (#34723208)
I try to deal with it by action - try to use what I read. But the best thing for me has been running. Gets me away from the tech.