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Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by olivermuty on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:47AM (#34653444)
This required building code in all homes in Norway since 2017.

It is good when the building is designed to have the system easily serviced, bad when the unit is in a hard to get loft.

You need to change filters at least once a year to keep your indoor climate good.

I just bought an old house, sealing all the vents and installing balanced ventilation with one of these is on my list for summer of 2024. Adding 5cm of insulation (up to modern codes, from 10 to 5cm of glass wool) to keep the house even less energy demanding in winter.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:16AM (#34653568)
I also bought an old house and going for 12 cm of Expanded Polystyrene (EPS) insulation for outer walls in southern Germany. Plus simple combined heat pump for mild weather in living rooms and gas heating for real winter for whole house. With all this setup I am going to install central ventilation system for living rooms. It’s really really nice to have fresh air during the night. The morning in previous rental apartment was always ugly with condensed moisture on all the windows.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by stuaxo on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:15AM (#34655061)
I've been looking at spray cork.

You can have it applied indoors and skimmed at only about a cm total or outdoors.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by ericd on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:22AM (#34655569)
Spray… cork? Is that just glue+cork bits? Does it end up airtight?

I’ve been pretty excited about steam expanded cork boards, they apparently make for excellent (albeit expensive) exterior cladding. Ditto granules for replacing attic fiberglass, though the additional weight of a thick layer seems like it might be a problem for ceiling drywall.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by skybrian on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:36AM (#34655670)
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by ericd on Sunday February 05, 2023 @08:31PM (#34672081)
Oh awesome, just water based paint (20%) and cork bits (80%). Sounds like a really cool material.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by mikeyouse on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:50AM (#34655820)
No matter the substrate, there is almost no insulation benefit to 1cm of material. It looks like cork has an R value of ~4.0/inch so 1cm is roughly R-1.5? That’s about equivalent or a single pane of glass.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:53PM (#34656969)
Sometimes you can only economically and aesthetically add a bit until you get to the "tear it down and rebuild".
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by stinos on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:25AM (#34655128)
Why do you choose a hybrid system and not just a heatpump? I have the impression that unless your energy demand is still fairly high or the heatpump rating is too low, houses are doing fine with a heatpump and the high COP in mild weather balances the lower COP in cold winters such that overall it's still worth it.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by pitaj on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:00AM (#34655385)
Moreover, why gas instead of electric backup?
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by djbusby on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:06AM (#34655440)
Maybe, like me, they've got existing gas heaters/boilers installed.

When you get a heat-pump you need the backup for really cold (-20c). So you just leave the existing one in for that case.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by letitbeirie on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:12PM (#34656059)
Depending on where the furnace is located, it can be cheaper and have a lower carbon footprint.

In my area of the US for example, gas costs 32¢/therm, which equates to 1.1¢/kWh.

Electricity on the other hand costs 6.4¢-10.9¢/kWh (depending on time of day), and while a third of it comes from renewables, another third of it comes from coal, so it ends up being net worse for the environment than just burning the gas.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jupp0r on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:56PM (#34656450)
How long will you operate this? Coal will be gone in a few years.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by philwelch on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:01PM (#34657054)
Even with gas it’s more efficient to burn the gas for heat yourself than for the power plant to burn the gas to operate a turbine which you then use to generate resistive heat.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jupp0r on Monday February 06, 2023 @05:57AM (#34675791)
Why are you comparing electricity production via fossil fuels and not via renewables.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by philwelch on Monday February 06, 2023 @12:17PM (#34680629)
If your electricity is actually generated by renewables that’s another situation entirely.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jupp0r on Monday February 06, 2023 @01:29PM (#34681860)
If this does not happen in the next 15 years in developed countries then we have a giant problem. I understand that installing a gas heater right now might be a reasonable personal decision, but I don't understand how one could argue it's the right thing to do from a climate protection angle.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by philwelch on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:04PM (#34682366)
It's the right thing to do from a climate protection angle if a significant proportion of your electricity is generated by natural gas, which is what I said to begin with.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jupp0r on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:30PM (#34700001)
It is, but only temporarily. Will you switch it over to a heat pump immediately after the cut off point is reached or will you operate till the end of its life before you replace it? If you keep operating it, will it really emit less over its lifetime than switching to a heat pump right now? Making the assumption that today's electricity mix is a steady state is flawed.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by kkfx on Saturday February 04, 2023 @03:32PM (#34657950)
> Moreover, why gas instead of electric backup?

Hum, I do not know in you country but here in France the maximum you can get from the grid is 36kW, 12kW per phase, 3 phases. And while the electricity is still far cheaper than in Germany if you try to heat a classic badly insulated home (who have a typical 34-40kW gas heating) with electricity you final bill will be a bit astronomical....

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lazide on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:07AM (#34662111)
US new construction is typically 200 amp (though some go up to 400 amp) 240v ‘split phase’ (so most branch circuits will be 120v). It’s technically single phase though.

So 48-96kw, technically.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by kkfx on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:26PM (#34669613)
So it's more than here for private homes (you can get much more, but only for business) BUT even with enough amps how much it cost per kWh in mean? Here we are from 9.7 cent/kWh for the cheapest hours, 15 cent/kWh for the mean, 67.12 for the most expensive hours of most expensive days (22 days per year in winter, the coldest essentially) i.e. https://www.fournisseurs-electricite.com/edf/tarifs/tempo for business in the "cheap" segment (not more than 36kW) it's from 21 to 25 cent per kWh.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lazide on Sunday February 05, 2023 @07:37PM (#34671643)
CAlifornia is stupid expensive - averaging over $.50/kwh. Other areas are cheaper - Washington and Oregon have a lot of hydro power, and it is usually $.12/kwh or less there.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by secabeen on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:32PM (#34714569)
This is changing. Peak cost during summer afternoons is definitely $0.50+/kWh, but most other times are in the $0.20-0.30/kWh range, due to the broad deployment of solar and lower nighttime demand.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:03AM (#34662905)
The first thing you do when looking a heat pumps is discover how overdimensioned gas heaters are. My house has a 20kW unit, and I'm replacing it with a 6-7kW heatpump, based on a calculation of historical use. Note that heat pump are usually placed in houses that are well insulated and thus never cool down; it's designed to run 24/7, not regularly heat up from eg 15C.

Installing a pump without installing insulation (if you need it) is silly.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by yetihehe on Sunday February 05, 2023 @09:09AM (#34665002)
I have new home and designer specified 8kW of heating, but I thought it's ridiculously low for such a big home, so I've bought 24kW pellet furnace. Guess what, it averages about 6kW.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by kkfx on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:20PM (#34669550)
I know, I've build a new home, electrically heated and well insulated. An water-water heat pump + and air-air in the VMC, for a total of ~1kW suffice for mild climate (like -2/-5℃ at night) it climb to 3kW for -10/12 and to 4kW to -15/18 outside. Never seen more than 6kW for -25. BUT it's a new home.

Classic homes here are built with rocks and mortar, laid down on grownd, often stitched together in villages to spare a wall or two. As a result they are essentially impossible to insulate: insulating from the outside means agree with others for a job often as expensive al living the home for a new one. From the inside it's even more costly and not always doable since old homes tend to be irregular and with low ceiling resulting a too much internal space loss, not counting the effect of having loss much thermal mass. Toll buildings from just after WWII to the sixties are in even worse shapes, at that time almost no one care about insulation or thermal design because heating was veeeeeery cheap. The old rule in winter was "if it's too hot just open a window, it's cheaper than a thermostat".

These buildings are the MAJORITY of the buildings and their own tend to be not so rich so they'll reach both natural and economical EOL soon and non one have a viable idea of what to do. Rebuilding anything is possible in mere theoretical terms, but in 30+ years, not tomorrow, and only with a public hand keeping costs low and plan with a bit of design instead of building a new real estate rush with similar results of those of the recent past in few decades. In practice though it's next to impossible because vast majority do not want to relocate. In south EU most home owners are middle class or even some low incomes, not just few rich and all other rent from big society.

That's the real point. For EVs and p.v. it's essentially the same: those who live in modern homes have both in mean or can have at least. Almost all others can't. Those who lives in cities have already big parking issues since cities was build far before cars, so with not much room for them, and as well no room for reasonable domestic p.v. systems. Classic homes tend to be badly oriented and many still have no garages. As a result most can only recharge cars from public stations who are spread enough not too few but most are 22kW 3-phase as homes, so you need to find one, occupy it for maybe 4+ hours, move the car thereafter to live the place for another and find a parking for yours now charged. Something stressful enough that most who do not have a private garage simply do not buy EVs.

Evolving civil infrastructures is not such a quick and easy things, especially in dense areas and during economic/social crisis of various kind.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Monday February 06, 2023 @05:55AM (#34675774)
It depends a bit on how houses are built and how the culture of keeping them maintained is. Here it's feasible for most home owners to renovate. My house is from the 80ies, so some work is required, but not much, to get things compatible with a heat pump. Adding false walls in older houses is common though. The beauty is that these things pay for themselves.

Also, opening a window if it's too hot (in winter) was never a rule here, we must save a penny wherever we can ;)

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by davemp on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:04AM (#34655416)
afaik in many climates/older homes heatpumps can't supply enough BTUs to heat a house in peak winter without being massively oversized for the cooling load (which could cause humidity problems).
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by hedora on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:00PM (#34655926)
It sounds like they are putting in minisplits, which are great for retrofits. The cost of minisplits is roughly linear in number of rooms.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:48AM (#34655309)
Why EPS and not PIR?
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:01PM (#34656498)
EPS is like one third of PIR in €.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:10PM (#34657127)
But those costs are marginal in the bigger picture. With only 12cm not going for PIR while you have the chance seems just a waste of effort. It's not bad, but you're really limiting the options you have for heating.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:10PM (#34658337)
Thanks, I will redo my calculations. PIR 0,026 W/mK. EPS 0,035 W/mK. There is a nice difference.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:09AM (#34662939)
What costs money is mounting it onto your house. It's a really bad idea in terms of fire safety, EPS.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by tinco on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:16PM (#34656089)
EPS is a filler material for concrete structures and floating installations that easily catch fire and has mediocre thermal properties. Is it even allowed to use EPS on your walls?

PIR is the typical economical material used for that kind of application. And 12cm is about the minimal thickness you'd want for decent insulation.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:58PM (#34656473)
EPS will be plastered afterwards. I don’t see any problem having it between brick wall and plastered layer.

12 cm is ok for an old house. More is not economically viable.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by tinco on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:41PM (#34659706)
I got used PIR panels for cheap for my renovation. There's companies who operate large barns filled with that stuff selling it online.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:06AM (#34662923)
EPS is not allowed for new builds here in NL, it doesnt meet fire safety codes. To me, that means Im not using it for renovation either. PIR can be had for good prices and is superior in every metric.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jaclaz on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:53AM (#34654088)
>You need to change filters at least once a year to keep your indoor climate good.

It really depends on the location and on the specific machine/install, usually there is no need to change the filters (they are normally washable) but they should be cleaned much more often, like every 6 (or even 3) months.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by spockz on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:30AM (#34654327)
How are you going to run the new ventilation shaft for balanced ventilation? In most houses I know that would mean tearing down/up a lot of walls and ceilings/floors. Or you have to run them on the existing ceiling and those pipes are quite large.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by ericd on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:27AM (#34655602)
Usually HVAC heat exchangers pretty close to an exterior wall, because the run to the exterior heat exchanger is ideally not too long, so you can tap into the return plenum there. But even if there’s not, there’s some flexibility in where you tap in (though some places might be more ideal than others).

For us, it was just a couple 6”holes in the cinderblocks of a basement wall (at least 6 feet apart).

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by HdS84 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:19PM (#34656113)
We did this for our house built in 68.

Obviously it depends on the architecture but we where able to place the central unit beneath the roof. All rooms on the first floor are connected through the roof space. A central column runs through the first floor and goes to the corridor on the ground floor. From there we where able to connect all rooms. The floor lost 15 cm height but it has 250 cm so it did not matter much.

If you cannot do it you can run the pipes on the exterior walls and insulate them with ,20 cm Styropor.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:02PM (#34656509)
Using old obsolete way oversized chimney. Enough place for pipes and cables.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:03PM (#34657067)
Laundry chutes too
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:11AM (#34662946)
I planned out ceiling suspended pipes in only corridors, where I figured the visual annoyance is least. 2 years in, I don't regret it at all.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by oliwarner on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:16AM (#34654638)
100mm? Not sure what your climate is but the recommendation in the UK has been 270mm for two decades (based on 0.044W/m²K fluff). It's a relatively cheap and easy upgrade.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:43AM (#34655268)
In an old house? Rarely. I've been able to fit 100mm of PIR (Polyisocyanurate) under my roof (1920s Dutch terraced brick house), and that is pushing it without eating too much into your living space.

PIR is a great solution for space-constrained insulation though: 0.022W/m²K, so 100mm gives you a thermal resistance of 4.54m²K/W. It's the equivalent of 200mm of mineral wool with a thermal insulance of 0.044W/m²K.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lnsru on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:04PM (#34656520)
270 mm for roof or walls? For roof yes, for walls I don’t know. I have no plan to create passive home from an old one.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by mhb on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:48AM (#34654882)
How old? You can't put insulation around knob and tube wires since they need air around them for cooling.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:46AM (#34655288)
If you are doing retrofit insulation, updating the electrical stuff to modern standards is pretty much something you'll have to do anyway.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by germinalphrase on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:35AM (#34655656)
Presumably, you are entirely removing interior plaster&lathe/drywall to access wall cavity (and replace wires) rather than drill holes and blowing insulation?
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:06PM (#34655983)
If you are upgrading the insulation from the inside you'll have whatever is the inner wall out anyway, it's pointless otherwise; if you're doing it from the outside (possible with some roofs) it doesn't matter; and filling the wall cavity is done from the outside too, unless you have a really weird house no wiring goes there.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:05PM (#34657081)
> If you are upgrading the insulation from the inside you'll have whatever is the inner wall out anyway

In Philadelphia in 1996, I had a company blow in insulation to my wood-framed, plaster+wood-lathe covered cavity walls without removing the inner walls. They created a series of 4"/10cm holes at the top of each bay and blew the insulation in that way.

ps. I later found out that this is a terrible idea for vapor control reasons.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by Freak_NL on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:16PM (#34657193)
Yeah, that's basically why just putting up new walls is the long term solution. And as a bonus you can put in some sweet CAT6 cabling and enough electrical sockets while you're at it. :)

Another benefit: when you take out the inner walls in an old house, you are going to find layers and layers of… stuff. Like 2cm of styrofoam (insulation in a nineties way) and a new layer of drywall on top of whatever chipboard/grout/newspapers where put in in a distant past (at least in my old house).

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by germinalphrase on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:18PM (#34657206)
Massive project though.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:02PM (#34657062)
You don't have to remove all of the lathe and plaster. Blown in insulation after upgrading the electrical. Fish poles and long cuts repaired afterwards.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by amluto on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:02PM (#34655948)
Sure you can, even in code-heavy places like California:

https://www.nachi.org/knob-and-tube.htm

In any case, if you overheat Romex and destroy the insulation, you can create a line-to-ground-or-neutral arc or short. If you overheat knob and tube and destroy the insulation, you are quite unlikely to cause an actual problem — there’s nothing nearby for it to short to.

Modern insulation tolerates rather higher temperature than old insulation, and knob and tube has plenty of other problems, but this isn’t really one of them.

(If GCFIs on branch circuits or feeders were widely deployed, even at higher thresholds than 5mA, and everyone used either grounded metallic conduit or bundles of wire with a bare ground in the middle (like Romex or NM-B), then insulation failures would be quickly detected.)

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by mhb on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:34PM (#34656268)
Thanks. Good to know. But probably worth mentioning that, even though you can insulate around knob and tube where local jurisdictions allow it:

"K&T wiring is designed to dissipate heat into free air, and insulation will disturb this process. Insulation around K&T wires will cause heat to build up, and this creates a fire hazard. The 2008 National Electrical Code (NEC) requires that this wiring system not be covered by insulation."

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:00PM (#34657045)
I wonder how often this actually is a problem, in that the owner looks at knob and tube wiring and keeps it for the heritage value. My parents were ripping it out in the 1970s from a 1920s home. I know that heritage designations often require using the original construction techniques but do they prevent upgrades to the electrical system?

"I'm sorry sir but your grandparents didn't have grounded outlets so you can't install have them either."

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by mhb on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:29PM (#34658513)
The problem, at least in my case, is that my 1930 house has k&t wiring and little/no insulation. The easiest way to add insulation would be to blow it in through drilled holes. This is a lot less involved than rewiring the house.

I have no affection for the wiring - nostalgic or otherwise.

And, yes, vapor issues.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lazide on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:10AM (#34662126)
Most home insurance won’t insure homes with knob and tube.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:57PM (#34657012)
Most home owners would either prioritize replacing/upgrading knob and tube wiring because we like to have more outlets and circuits than when knob and tube wiring was installed, or because the building code or local permitting office would require the upgrade. Same thing for aluminum wiring (1970s?), GCFI, replacing fuses with breakers, etc.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by wojciii on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:10PM (#34656032)
Same story in DK.

I live in a house with this tech in. Also with a heat pump (ground version) and solar panels/battery to offset some of the running cost of this system.

The house is uncomfortably warm during summer but ok during the rest of the year. The air is not humid enough for my tastes.

The Danish company called Danfoss sells complete systems used to heat and ventilate houses. There are other systems perhaps better in terms of communication with others (control systems). My main problem with Danfoss is that I'm unable to control their products without mayor hacking. So I'm never going to buy from them again.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jupp0r on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:54PM (#34656443)
You are unable to regulate the temperature of the heating in your house?
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by drjasonharrison on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:51PM (#34656945)
Probably unable to enjoy as much cooling as possible given existing insulation, unit size, etc.

Humans don't sense temperature or wetness. We sense thermal energy flow. Two materials at the same temperature, one highly heat conductive and another poor at conducting heat will feel like they are are different temperatures. Eg, at room temperature, water and wool.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by dv_dt on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:56PM (#34657564)
People know if they step into a hot humid environment vs a hot dry environment. Perhaps they're just sensing some level of thermal energy flow at the skin and how fast sweat cools, but I think you sinuses, sense of taste, and lungs may also also add additional senses to differentiate.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by jannyfer on Saturday February 04, 2023 @03:06PM (#34657671)
> “Humans don’t sense … wetness”

I read this elsewhere too and think it’s worded incorrectly. Maybe our _bodies_ don’t have sensory receptors for wetness, but humans can “sense” it by other means (e.g. by observing change in friction, stickiness, etc)

Our bodies don’t have receptors for our spouse’s emotions, but I can “sense” when my spouse is in a bad mood.

Or maybe my English is just bad and it’s worded fine.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by wojciii on Saturday February 04, 2023 @03:59PM (#34658225)
The heatpump is not able to cool the house - per design. It would need air conditioning.. which would be expensive.

The house is very well insolatated and therefore difficult to keep cool during the warm months. We installed film blocking some of the light on the HUGE windows which are part of the problem.

So we are able to regulate the temperature but the house is warmed up during hot days and not always cooled down enough during the night.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by lazide on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:04AM (#34662090)
An air conditioner is a just a heat pump.

Why can’t your heat pump run both ways? It’s not that much more expensive!

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by wojciii on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:27PM (#34666706)
This is not a supported feature.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by brnt on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:58AM (#34662875)
Tons of air to water heat pumps can run the cycle in reverse (cool your house) these days. I'd double check if it's a recent installation, it almost certainly does. If so, the question is what your heaters look like. Not every likes cold feet for instance.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by wojciii on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:26PM (#34666690)
Danfoss which is the maker of this (ground heat) pump doesn't support this. This is per design. You can buy an add-on with a separate loop which I find silly.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by LightDub on Monday February 06, 2023 @05:21PM (#34685339)
Thanks for sharing. Do you mean the air-conditioning would be expensive in terms of upfront cost? As I imagine, with the solar, panels, it would be an ideal combination during the summer.
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by wojciii on Thursday February 09, 2023 @09:26AM (#34724361)
I could install a heat pump which can be run in reverse and cool the house. That would probably be cheap enough to install and use generated energy mostly.

But a heat pump has an internal and external part. The internal part needs to be where it cools and it's ugly too look at.

There are Aircon devices where everything is hidden away but they are expensive.

Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by kkfx on Saturday February 04, 2023 @03:29PM (#34657918)
Hum, IME the cleaning cycle of both my old and new one is three months, I generally try to flush them one time but no filter last more than 6 month. Did you have some other filters in the chain like an electrical one? No pine pollen etc around in spring?
Re:Air-to-Air Heat Exchangers for Healthier Energy-Efficient... by HyperSane on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:24PM (#34659052)
I really like the fresh air system were air from these is piped to rooms in small diameter pipes.