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Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by andrewstuart on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:22PM (#34649814)
Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon.

When they say "for medical usage", they mean it.

This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy.

Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact that this is precisely what should be happening - nice, safe, clean party drugs instead of god knows what probably methamphetamine/ice.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by mullingitover on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:34PM (#34649928)
Even if it's not legalized for recreational use, MDMA is a potent, useful therapeutic treatment. This is a good thing, and hopefully the US government will get its head out of the dark ages and follow suit promptly.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by pnw on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:18PM (#34650259)
I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia.

Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means that ultimately the government has the final call on these topics, and for whatever reason, neither of the two primary political parties seem inclined to change the status quo.

The hypocrisy of it is quite transparent. Last I checked, possession of cannabis and X rated pornography is illegal in all states and territories of Australia, except for the Australian Capital Territory which is the equivalent of DC. Which of course is where most of the politicians are.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by hugh-avherald on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:31PM (#34650360)
The vast majority of politicians do not spend any longer in the ACT than they have to.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by nineteen999 on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:47PM (#34650485)
> The hypocrisy of it is quite transparent. Last I checked, possession of cannabis and X rated pornography is illegal in all states and territories of Australia, except for the Australian Capital Territory which is the equivalent of DC. Which of course is where most of the politicians are.

Not to mention the pervasiveness of cocaine throughout the community, from tradies to barristers, doctors etc. The hypocritical nanny state mentality that keeps these politicians acting this way is driven by our community and it is sickening.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by abigail95 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:02AM (#34651968)
Just look at the price of cocaine compared to other similar countries (UK) and it's obvious that while drug use exists in Australia, that specific drug is used less frequently.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by ace2358 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @03:44AM (#34652855)
People spend stupid amounts of money of very low quality drugs all over Australia. It’s very very very common.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by brutusborn on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:19AM (#34653319)
Higher price is a function of demand and scarcity. Scarcity from more difficult smuggling routes and demand from popularity. Although you are correct insofar as a lot of people can’t afford to do it regularly.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by robbiep on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:17PM (#34650682)
Weed is now extensively available through e prescribing just about everywhere
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by Atsuii on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:24PM (#34650727)
It remains criminal to have any THC in your system when driving even with a prescription though. With no meaningful way to test if someone has consumed THC in the past 5 hours vs the night before it makes it a useless medical aid for anyone who has to drive, which outside of inner suburbs of Melbourne & Sydney is the vast majority of people in Australia.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by 111111101101 on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:30PM (#34650764)
I keep hearing this but surely if you presented your prescription in court the charges would be dropped? In my experience, magistrates are usually very reasonable. Police on the other hand...
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by tsimionescu on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:57AM (#34652614)
There are plenty of completely legal prescription drugs you aren't allowed to drive on. Having a prescription will certainly not exonerate you if you're smoking a joint while driving, same as if you were caught taking Xanax while driving.

Whether magistrates would look at the levels of THC in your blood and be sympathetic to an argument that you had consumed a long time ago (and thus were no longer under the influence) is another question. I tend to think magistrates would side with the law as written in most cases, if the law explicitly prohibits driving with any amount of THC detectable in blood tests.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by bobthepanda on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:55PM (#34650922)
DUI for THC is criminal in the legalized parts of the US too, and you also need to drive everywhere in the United States, so that's hardly insane.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by M4v3R on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:43AM (#34652226)
> It remains criminal to have any THC in your system when driving even with a prescription though

Rightly so. I mean maybe it’s too strict (i.e. you’re totally sober but still will be penalized for having anything show up in your blood) but in general driving under THC influence is as bad as driving on alcohol, you could get yourself and others killed.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by myshpa on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:56AM (#34653207)
> driving under THC influence is as bad as driving on alcohol

It's really not. There have been tests done by a government transport regulatory agency (in an EU country), comparing THC, alcohol and sober driving.

While alcohol promotes reckless driving (i know what i'm doing, i've got it, even if i don't), driving under THC is different, people are much more careful, even compared with the sober state. Slower driving, less incidents.

Alcohol makes you kill yourself and others, takes only few hours to get out of your system. THC makes you drive slower and more careful, can be found in blood days or weeks later (with no effect on cognition or faculties).

You're right that driving under any influence is (probably) not safe. But this seems like the same kind of stupid like testing your hair for drinking alcohol few months back.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by BossingAround on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:43AM (#34653702)
Driving under the influence of THC is bad, but driving in the morning while you had THC last night while watching The Last of Us and being punished for that is ridiculous. I take it that THC shows up in your blood days after consuming, while the effects last hours.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:50PM (#34667629)
I don't think they're widely used yet, but there are iPad apps that police departments can use to test for marijuana impairment before administrating a THC test, similar to the "touch your nose, walk on this line" tests they use prior to pulling out a breathalyzer.

E.g. https://www.impairmentscience.com/research

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by mr_beans on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:34PM (#34650784)
Don’t forget the second amendment!
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by Throw10987 on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:10PM (#34651012)
I think the second amendment was probably intentionally not mentioned.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by alwayslikethis on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:43PM (#34650843)
I think the word you might be looking for is "paternalistic". I think Australia is among the most authoritarian of the 'Western' countries, with little checks and balances on investigative power or protections for free speech, among other civil rights.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by ghiculescu on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:05PM (#34650983)
I think the political parties don’t change the status quo because as you note, most Australians share this mindset.

It was very revealing from overseas looking in during Covid, where there was (proverbial) dancing on the graves of expats locked out of the country for 2+ years. Should have come home when the big boss in Canberra said to, mate!

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by petesergeant on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:19PM (#34651070)
The Australians I know tend to have this weird cognitive dissonance where they bemoan the nanny state they live in, and then complain about the lack of rules in the other countries they visit
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by Benjamin_Dobell on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:47PM (#34651252)
Is it really cognitive dissonance that we're assessing laws individually based on merit, rather than prescribing to simple-minded political ideologies focused on vague concepts like more/less laws?
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by askvictor on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:30PM (#34651541)
No, but bemoaning the 'nanny state' sounds like a simple minded ideology.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by monkeycantype on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:35AM (#34653656)
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Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by monkeycantype on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:27AM (#34653615)
I'm an Australian, and don't think that quite nails the dissonance. We're comfortable with being a relatively authoritarian relatively liberal country, because we believe that the government is competent and under our control, and that the sanctions that the government enforces are just a sacrifice we must make to common democratic project, but then ask an Australian - what do think of the current government and the answer is always / at all times, that they are are rabble of incompetent petty thieves rorting the nation.

(Except, actually, I'm kind of happy with Penny Wong as foreign minister)

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by ikt on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:54PM (#34651300)
when was the last time someone was arrested for possession of pornography?
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by RichEO on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:54AM (#34653767)
> Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you.

I’m not sure where you are from, but Australia doesn’t share the blind scepticism of government you see in many other countries.

Lots of Australians are politically engaged and generally our politicians are quite accessible. It’s not uncommon to see your federal or state member in the community shopping or eating or just generally living their lives.

Our governments are not perfect, in fact some times they do truly reprehensible things, but it still feels like things can change and get better here

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by caf on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:37AM (#34653993)
Possession of X-rated films for personal use is legal everywhere in the country. Sale or hire is only permitted in the ACT and Northern Territory.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by cactusplant7374 on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:11PM (#34650655)
The question is how many hoops does the patient have to jump through to get the treatment. In the US some doctors want their patients to try 10 drugs + ECT + TMS before prescribing ketamine for TRD.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by donnythecroc on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:31AM (#34653092)
2 treatments if it's the same as THC and CBD. Not hard and they just ask you, they don't check records.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by trissylegs on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:40PM (#34650823)
For comparison. A few years ago they tried to reschedule Amyl Nitrate (aka Poppers) a drug available as "Leather cleaner" in most sex shops. It was going to put on the same schedule as Heroin making it illegal to possess.

Then after complaint they completely changed to make it an over the counter drug. Although as far as I know it's still not available at any chemist I know of. But you can still buy it as Leather cleaner from few sex shops. (Less than it used to)

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by perilunar on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:24PM (#34651510)
> Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country

Lol. Australia is less conservative than the US. We are much less religious, sex work is legal, and the drinking age is lower. Marijuana is widely available and accepted, and its legal status is irrelevant most of the time.

Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by askvictor on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:28PM (#34651536)
It's really a funny one. In many things we're very conservative, in others, much less so. And it's not quite clear why, in which areas. The US is a big place, and varies wildly state-to-state, so not worth comparing as a whole.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by doubleunplussed on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:06AM (#34651997)
Yeah, it's patchy. Most porn being illegal and erectile dysfunction drugs not being covered by the PBS are two things that come to mind on the conservative side.
Re:MDMA and Psilocybin Are Approved as Medicines for the Fir... by macsparrow on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:48AM (#34653180)
+1

Progress but unfortunately no chance the TGA will make this genuinely accessible.

Keep in mind, the TGA ensure you need a prescription to buy nicotine vaping products.