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Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by aphroz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @01:54PM (#34536770)
Interestingly enough, the culture of returns in Switzerland is very different compared to the US.

Also the quality of service vs price makes it a very appealing market but very hard to penetrate. This is why international players have always had issues to do so. Swiss customers care more about quality than price.

On Galaxus you can decide to chose slow delivery so you will not necessarly receive your product the next day. But for the same price: https://basic-tutorials.com/news/galaxus-and-digitec-now-del...

Edit: added link

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by extua on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:19PM (#34537227)
A 'slow delivery' option is a great idea. There have definitely been a few times when I've ordered something and would've been totally happy for it to arrive any time within the next few weeks. At the same time, it would need a different kind of delivery service which isn't totally optimised around speedy delivery.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by amf12 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:47PM (#34537702)
IIRC, Amazon has an option to delay delivery and you get some credits.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by LazyMans on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:29PM (#34538309)
Prime delivery day is awesome, especially sharing the same house with someone that orders excessively. We tend to order things throughout the week, then have to deal with a mountain of shipping waste. Prime delivery day condenses the orders as best possible. It's not like I need every single item within 24 hours...
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by numlocked on Thursday January 26, 2023 @09:19PM (#34541680)
Somewhat tangential, but can't help sharing: It's counter-intuitive, but you should feel good ordering things with same-day delivery, even if you don't need it and it "feels" wasteful. Energy-intensity of delivery basically boils down to "did it go on an airplane?". If so, it has a ton of emissions associated with it. If not, it doesn't. And (of course) the less distance the item has to travel, the less emissions. If it can be delivered same-day, then it's not going on an airplane, and it's not traveling very far.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by LazyMans on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @04:19PM (#34602324)
Totally get what you're saying, but the big motivator for us is to literally deal with less boxes that need to be broken down.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jchw on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:10PM (#34538020)
One weird thing is that it seems like they play a bit fast and loose with the actual meaning of this. Several times I've ordered for "Prime day" because I didn't care and then later got a notification because they just shipped it early anyways. No real complaint per se, but it was still odd.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by amerkhalid on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:52PM (#34537770)
Yes, you get digital credit. It is great for buying Kindle books or renting movies.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by wendyshu on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:15PM (#34538088)
Oh, how?
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by crazygringo on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:16PM (#34538956)
You need to have Prime, and it usually requires you to have 2-3 items in your cart.

But if they're items that would normally ship in 1-2 days, then it will provide a credits option if you have an Amazon Day (day of the week for combined deliveries) selected and that Amazon Day is at least 3 days in the future. It will also sometimes instead show a "no-rush shipping" option that is usually something like 5-7 days out, with credits.

I'm not going to lie, I almost always select it (even constantly changing my Amazon Day to be at least 3 days out from today), and I'm pretty sure I make back my Prime membership fee and then some. The credits are usually $1.50-$4.50 per shipment, expire after 3 months, and can only be used for digital purchases like Kindle and videos.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by eterevsky on Friday January 27, 2023 @01:43AM (#34543325)
Slow delivery for Galaxus means in a couple of days instead of tomorrow.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by Matumio on Friday January 27, 2023 @05:05AM (#34544416)
So far I got the same "day after tomorrow" with that option. But it just seems a nice box the check when it doesn't matter.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jsnell on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:38PM (#34537567)
I've spent a five-digit sum at Galaxus/Digitec, and never returned anything. So the typical product having a 3% return rate is quite surprising.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by oezi on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:03PM (#34537928)
As an avid user of Geizhals/Idealo price comparison sites I wonder why you pick Galaxus over other reliable retailers.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by layer8 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:52PM (#34538663)
Not the GP, but for the products I look for Galaxus has occasionally been among the cheapest.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by _zoltan_ on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:45PM (#34539290)
because I care more about service than about 5 CHF.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jsnell on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:50PM (#34539379)
Their website - and tech in general - are way better than the competition. Their prices are competitive (sometimes the best, sometimes not, but rarely an unreasonable rip-off). I often prefer local pickup over mail. They already have my information on file, I don't need to futz around with making an account.

Price comparison sites are fine if I know exactly the item I want, less so if I just have an idea of the category.

It's not that I buy everything there. But it is my default option.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:55PM (#34539450)
Because consumer protection is nonexistent and it's easier to just go with Digitec/Galaxus where you already have an account than figuring out if this dealer is trustworthy, shipping in a reasonable timeframe, and whether they will be a PITA to sign up with.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by bauruine on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:03PM (#34539544)
The filtering system was way, way better than everything else we had for a very long time and they often also where the cheapest. I write was because honestly I haven't visited many other shops for quite some time. But whenever I check on toppreise it's only marginaly more expensive then the other shops. It's convenient to have everything from the same shop where you know you have it the next day. And the "Geiz ist geil" mentality just doesn't realy exist in Switzerland.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by h0h0h0h0111 on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:42AM (#34544291)
Reliability, consistency, convenience, laziness. I know by and large if something goes wrong, Galaxus will just refund me no questions asked. Having tried some other retailers (that I found on toppreise)... that was not always the case
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:33PM (#34537471)
> Interestingly enough, the culture of returns in Switzerland is very different compared to the US.

The culture of returns in all of the EU, too, is very different than the US.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by gggggg5 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:25PM (#34538245)
How is it different?
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:40PM (#34538489)
For starters, EU law requires the right to return no-questions-asked within a minimum 14 days (many places honor 30 days).

In the US, there is no such law, though many retailers do it anyway. Some states, however, have implemented such laws, but it's not nationwide.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by sschueller on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:19PM (#34538993)
* if unopened and unused.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:45PM (#34539287)
Is your asterisk intended for the EU or the US?

in the EU, you can return things after using them, no problem

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by tremon on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:38PM (#34539899)
Depends on the goods. Not many places will accept returns for opened/used underwear, for example. Same with digital goods (dvd/cd/games), if the seal is broken the shop will not accept a return.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @05:45PM (#34539965)
True, there are some obvious exceptions. But suppose I buy a vacuum cleaner and use it for a month and don't like it, doesn't matter how much I used it, I can return it in the EU.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by eps on Thursday January 26, 2023 @06:24PM (#34540302)
Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that?
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @09:28PM (#34541742)
My own life experience in the EU is my source.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by eps on Friday January 27, 2023 @02:03AM (#34543434)
Yeah, I assumed as much that's why I asked.

Your top comment implied that it's a norm in the EU. It is not. It's very much retailer-specific.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by tremon on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:14AM (#34544151)
Here are the B2C rules for e-commerce in the EU, which are supposed to be the norm: https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-... . Anything beyond that is retailer-specific. Note that this concerns all forms of remote selling, i.e. phone sales, webshops goods, but even door-to-door vending -- basically anything that does not involve the customer setting foot in your brick-and-mortar store.

> When can your customer withdraw from the contract?

If you have given all the necessary information about the right to withdraw, your customer has 14 days to withdraw from the contract - without any penalty and without having to give any reason:

    For goods – this means 14 days after delivery
    For services – this means 14 days after the contract was concluded
> What are your obligations after the consumer withdraws from the contract?

You must reimburse the money received from your customer (or cancel their payment) within 14 days of being notified they are withdrawing.

You may withhold this reimbursement until you have received the goods back from the customer, or at least received evidence they have actually sent them.

> Who pays what?

The Customer pays the cost of returning the goods (unless you failed to inform them of this in advance — in which case you will be liable for these costs).

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jacquesm on Saturday January 28, 2023 @07:02PM (#34563329)
It is a norm in the EU. Not all countries adopt all of this at the same time but it definitely is a norm.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by vladvasiliu on Friday January 27, 2023 @12:04AM (#34542693)
The law doesn't seem to cover that, or one pretty large retailer in France is ostensibly not abiding by it.

Darty.com says that you can only return an item if it can be resold as new. Basically, you may only open it to inspect it. If there are signs of use, you won't get the full refund.

Other retailers, like Amazon, may not care about this and refund fully no questions asked. But in my experience, Amazon is pretty unique in doing this.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Friday January 27, 2023 @12:40AM (#34542927)
If you are in Europe and you buy it online, then the retailer is obligated by law to accept the return.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua...

>If you bought a product or a service online or outside of a shop (by telephone, mail order, from a door-to-door salesperson), you also have the right to cancel and return your order within 14 days, for any reason and without a justification.

In my experience, all retailers (have not tried in France, though) follow this law.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by vladvasiliu on Friday January 27, 2023 @01:24AM (#34543222)
I think the issue turns around the "any reason" part. It doesn't say anything about the condition of the item, which, in my opinion, is the crux of the issue.

Unfortunately, I only have French references. The actual French law is at [0]. It says that the buyer is on the hook for any depreciation resulting from handling, apart from what is necessary to determine the characteristics and good working condition of the goods. So opening the vacuum box to see that it's not missing a part or something is fine. Vacuuming your house for 2 weeks is probably not. "Determine the characteristics" is ambiguous to me, so it's not clear where the line is.

For example, Zalando, an online clothes retailer, will accept returns for garments that have been "tried on" but not "worn" [1].

LDLC, an online electronics retailer, will accept returns for items in "original condition and packaging". I expect that if I buy a mouse, use it for a week and there are marks on the pads, they won't accept the return. [2]

[0] https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...

[1] https://www.zalando.fr/aide/Retour-and-Remboursement/Conditi...

[2] https://www.ldlc.com/aide/234-politique-de-reprise/

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by thirdsun on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:40AM (#34578904)
Not true. It may work. However your return period should serve as a way to test the item similar to what would be possible in store. Using a vacuum cleaner for a month may result in a partial refund if there are clear signs of usage. There are limits to what is considered appropriate testing.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by cvccvroomvroom on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:32PM (#34542139)
Wow. That's a huge difference.

I purchased a Chinese brand scooter from a US-based dealer.

Their customer service was awful. They had a phone number that changed often and didn't work, and lied about their intent to honor warranty claims. It was broken for 4 months. In the end, they decided to cancel my warranty and refuse any further assistance because I dared to ask for a functional product.

I suggest no one ever buy a Kaabo scooter from any of the 3 major dealers in the US.

Kaabo itself is even worse providing no support to customers at all.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:51PM (#34542234)
reverse the credit card charge, that usually works like a charm and weakens the company you bought it from, and enough do the same, they can't do business any more
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by cvccvroomvroom on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:58PM (#34542655)
That doesn't work in the US. Too much time elapsed and it's not something a credit card company would adjudicate. My one little encounter isn't something a credit card company would care about.

It could be a small claims court matter if they were in the same state.

It's cheaper to write-off the matter as a learning experience.

Voro Motors. They're a fly-by-night operation like the other Kaabo dealers I found in the US. Ship from China and expect no support or warranty.

Also, no e-scooter shops will touch Kaabos because they're not designed for repair and parts are difficult to source. The wiring inside looks like spaghetti with random colors that don't match their wiring diagram and wires that go nowhere. In addition, the early model forks would break spontaneously due to manufacturing defects that lead to a number of grotesque injuries and perhaps a death or two.

PS: BBB is itself a widely-held misconception and fraud, perhaps the inverse of Yelp. It's mostly a feel good badge businesses pay for. Any business can join it and they have little incentive to police their "members" because, like binding arbitration, the "members" are the customers, not retailer's customers.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Friday January 27, 2023 @12:36AM (#34542888)
I have never had a credit card dispute my challenge to reverse a charge. You are the credit card's more important customer, not the business. If you follow their steps, they will reverse the charge. It's not a lot of effort and bad business do go out of business when enough customers reverse the charges because then the business can't use credit cards any more.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by gggggg5 on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:44AM (#34544298)
> That doesn't work in the US.

Totally does.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by Elkekec on Friday January 27, 2023 @12:16AM (#34542767)
14 days minimum is only for online shopping, this is not true if you buy products in physical store(in EU).
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by jb1991 on Friday January 27, 2023 @12:38AM (#34542902)
You are correct:

> If you bought a product or a service online or outside of a shop (by telephone, mail order, from a door-to-door salesperson), you also have the right to cancel and return your order within 14 days, for any reason and without a justification.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua...

I guess it's one more reason to always buy online!

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by gggggg5 on Friday January 27, 2023 @04:41AM (#34544285)
I get the legal differences, but in practice EU-like return policies are extremely common in the US. Are there really significant cultural differences with regards to returns?
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by cma on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:19PM (#34537235)
Seems similar to "Amazon day" delayed delivery.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by cosmodisk on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:48PM (#34537706)
I have a feeling not many Swiss buy a satnav, go on a two week trip with it and then return just before the return policy ends.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by gggggg5 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:24PM (#34538237)
I have a feeling not many people buy satnavs in 2023.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by cosmodisk on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:41PM (#34538494)
It was a reference to bygone days, but the practice wasn't that uncommon in certain Western countries...
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by nix23 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @06:59PM (#34540626)
Many...if your on a mountain and your touchscreen is literately frozen you wish you have a other one...also if you have to trust in a technology you better have 2 devices or a additional map and a compass.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by imp0cat on Friday January 27, 2023 @03:10AM (#34543806)
I heard people do this with expensive cameras and equipment. Instead of renting, they can buy one for a vacation, then return it when they get back home.
Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by sschueller on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:18PM (#34538980)
Switzerland didn't have the kind of return anything for any reason culture as the US has had for a long time. The fact you can return a non defective item is something newer and you still find retailers that will not take your item back unless it is defective.

So you don't see people to go Jumbo (home depot equivalent) buy a tool and return it a week later after the job is done to get a full refund.

In fact even digitec/galaxus will charge you a 10% restocking fee if you opened the item and it isn't not defective in anyway.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by amerkhalid on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:51PM (#34537759)
> the culture of returns in Switzerland is very different compared to the US

I am curious, how is it different?

Here in the US, I have met seen whole spectrum where some people will never return anything even if it is obviously defective. And others who will return almost perfect items for tiny issues or for not meeting their expectations.

I am not sure how I would define the US return culture.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by posix86 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @07:21PM (#34540808)
This might be a factor but it must be stated that the primary reason why international players had trouble penetrating Swiss markets was due to trade regulations which prevent retailers to sell anything duty-free or at a reasonable duty in Swiss markets. This is why Amazon et. al. don't even attempt to sell there; you're simply not competitive if you have to add 8% or something on top of every item.

If you open Amazon from Switzerland and search for anything at all, you do get tons of products that seem nice & at a reasonable price, but click on any of them and it will say that the vendor doesn't ship to Switzerland. And this is when you set your location to Switzerland! There's no way to filter for products that ship there, Amazon simply doesn't bother.

This is why e commerce stores like Galaxus & Digitec (the tech-products twin of Galaxus) were even capable of getting so large in Switzerland, while in other countries any competition was swept away by Amazon.

There are some exceptions to this, e.g. Zalando, a clothes retailer, does deliver into Switzerland... I know that they have large logistics centers in Switzerland and basically send their products b2b, maybe that doesn't pay off for Amazon? I don't know.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by ahtihn on Friday January 27, 2023 @02:19AM (#34543514)
This sounds a bit surprising. Tons of online clothes retailers ship to Switzerland.

8% doesn't matter that much, you'll see bigger differences than that for the same item between different retailers within Switzerland. A lot of people here don't shop around and aren't that price sensitive.

Re:Swiss retailer Galaxus now displays warranty score and re... by barrkel on Friday January 27, 2023 @06:20AM (#34544850)
That's not quite right. I'd say about 80% of products I find on amazon.de are delivered to Switzerland. If Amazon is handling the logistics, then they normally deliver. They don't need to charge German VAT and Swiss VAT is a lot lower.

Duty is more relevant to food products. Meat is the big one. If you like meat, it's very profitable to take your whole family on a trip to a German supermarket across the border, since prices are ridiculous in CH and the meat is low quality - particularly the beef, which is from "dual purpose" cows, where "dual purpose" is like 95% milk cows.