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Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by kibwen on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:13AM (#34505516)
As others will be quick to point out, HN does have ads in the form of job postings for YCombinator startups that are delivered inline with the links on the front page. That said, it's relatively unobtrusive. And of course, the existence of HN is a large part of the marketing for YCombinator itself. Personally, I'll commend dang for doing a high-effort job at moderation, and tolerating all the dunking on Paul Graham that we do.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by amelius on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#34505578)
But ... these job postings are difficult to discern from other posts. At least Google puts "Ad" in front of ads ...
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by guntherhermann on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:31AM (#34505868)
A giveaway is that you can't comment on them :)
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by capableweb on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:55AM (#34506284)
Nor do they have points, you can't upvote or flag them. They do stick out a bit and are easy to ignore.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by bambax on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:58AM (#34506342)
You can hide them though.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by dredmorbius on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:54AM (#34506267)
There are several userscripts to block those.

<https://github.com/brownie-in-motion/hn-adblock>, discussed: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31597486>

Another: <https://gist.github.com/pxeger/4aed4baaa87028a2ecc6441a84a1f...>

(I've used neither.)

I've briefly looked into managing these through CSS alone. Not obviously that I can tell, though the text of job listings should match the pattern:

  <company> (YC <class> ) Is Hiring <position>
I think CSS can act based on content, but need to look at selectors for that.

SO suggests not: <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1520429/is-there-a-css-s...>

HN doesn't assign a distinctive class to these posts, though the "votelinks" class is missing, which can be used to highlight the listings. E.g.:

  /* HN startup job ads */

  .athing td:nth-of-type(2):not(.votelinks) {
      background: #fcc;
  }

  .athing td:nth-of-type(2):not(.votelinks):before {
      content: "Ad";
      position: relative;
      left: 0.4em;
      color: #000;
  } 
(Other properties might be set.)

I'd need to futz with this some more to see if the entire entry could be dropped, though I'd prefer to simply have them stand out, I think...

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by eipi10_hn on Thursday January 26, 2023 @08:54AM (#34531588)
If you are using ublock, you can use these filters

    news.ycombinator.com##.athing:not(:has(.votelinks))
    news.ycombinator.com##.athing:not(:has(.votelinks)) + tr
    news.ycombinator.com##.athing:not(:has(.votelinks)) + tr + tr
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by _Algernon_ on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:41PM (#34507075)
Putting an ad with text color #FEFEFE on a white background doesn't do much.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by eliasdaler on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @05:35PM (#34511562)
FTC actually has guidelines and rules for online advertising. Here’s a doc from them saying that the ads should be clearly marked as ads: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bu...

Strange it doesn’t seem to be respected on HN.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by roflyear on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:58PM (#34514597)
Lots of stuff isn't. They don't let you delete your account or delete old comments.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by colesantiago on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:35AM (#34505944)
There should be a way to remove all ads from HN on the account level.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by Rooster61 on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#34505572)
Ads that I won't see unless I actually have interest in them? That's not very web 5.0...
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by 29athrowaway on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @11:18AM (#34505606)
It is done with a lot for respect for the reader, and in a non intrusive way.

There's no profiling or targeting of users. Everyone sees the same ads.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by tiotempestade on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:01PM (#34506397)
> As others will be quick to point out, HN does have ads in the form of job postings for YCombinator startups that are delivered inline with the links on the front page.

The way all ads should be? :)

Succinct, relevant and unobtrusive

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by barbs on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @02:18PM (#34508652)
And non-tracking!
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by eliasdaler on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @05:31PM (#34511523)
The ads should be clearly marked as ads, in my opinion.

I hate when social media sites hide ads by making them look like regular posts. It’s a dark pattern.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by wkat4242 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:13AM (#34515345)
They're marked as job postings which is really what they are. Nobody will look at them unless they're looking for a job and if so, why not?

It's a very different story from ads on other social networks imo.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by henning on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:34PM (#34506982)
True, but those job ads are text-only and unlikely to contain malware. Normal web ads are the opposite in both regards.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by notTechbut on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:36PM (#34507001)
dang has dunked on the quality of HN discourse remaining repetitive and boring to him, never really changing in the aggregate over the years.

He might consider seeking novel to him work routines rather than complain everyone else is prosaic. I quit treating systems like pets a while ago, while he tends the same flock.

If everyone else’s figurative identity can be a target why not PG, dang, etc.

“Thanks” for being over educated systems admins like many of us, I guess?

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by dang on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:59PM (#34507331)
I have? Where?
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by notTechbut on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @01:32PM (#34507845)
You have admin access to the database that includes the comments I refer to; write queries.

Self policing is a powerful tool for self improvement. Go reflect on asking people here to see the “poetry” in their livelihood being usurped by VC backed technology which coincidentally help’s guarantee your employment and rather trashes the environment, eh?

Other themes include finding run of the mill political speak as banal, despite such memes being how the vast majority of the population understands the world, as if you’re the High Mind we should all be soothed by; personally you’re just another over privileged first worlder to me shrug one of billions on Earth. The figurative identity you feel yourself to be is shrug to me. The energy SV projects to everyone else.

I get the difference between theory backed by evidence versus spoken traditions of politics, but it’s not unreasonable to describe some of your comments as tone deaf, lacking empathy for those made anxious by the rapid economic and social change, from your Ycombinator backed ivory tower.

The audience is here to rescue your figurative identity though by burying reasonable takes on your past comments about them. You should be thankful you have yourself such a self loathing flock.

You’re one particle among billions. Whether the rest of us are titillating you correctly is not on us. It’s on you to find a more titillating routine. Having moved from CE, to general SWE, and into ML backed biology research, if I held onto one role for so long I’d question if I am responsible for coloring my view in the same shade of grey.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by okCompewtr on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @02:42PM (#34509065)
You even asked for a response and they hivemind flagged it to spare you.

Puritanical white knighting is at an all time high among meaningless meat bags.

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by jedberg on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:52PM (#34507237)
> and tolerating all the dunking on Paul Graham that we do.

Who wouldn't enjoy some friendly ribbing of their boss's boss? :)

Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by jamal-kumar on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @01:44PM (#34508038)
Jeff Bezos should consider a haircut
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by vlunkr on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @01:18PM (#34507621)
Those ads are also very likely to be relevant to HN users relative to typical internet ads.
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by 93po on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @02:44PM (#34509100)
I use hckrnews.com and everyone else should too. Not seeing those ads is a nice side effect
Re:HN: Thank you for being fast, ad-free and text only by slim on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:11PM (#34509524)
Not sure jobs are the only form of advertising. Sometimes I feel like some domain names like substack are pumped up