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Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by eiiot on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:46AM (#34398005)
Can anyone really name a reason why you would need a standalone MP3 player in 2023? With services like Tidal or even just Spotify it seems like there are so many downsides, with little to no benefits. (Other than maybe owning your own physical music as opposed to relying on a streaming service?)
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by TurboHaskal on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:39AM (#34398366)
Mostly power. Phones just don't offer enough to drive demanding headphones or earphones.

There are dongles to address this issue, but they can drain the battery pretty fast. I don't want to drain my phone battery just because I'm listening to music.

If you have an iOS device, having offline music has plenty of limitations. It takes a ton of space that I'd rather save for pictures, videos and apps. And you have to sync your phone with a MacBook which is a hassle if you have more than one.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by antihero on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:21AM (#34398615)
If you’re serious about quality you’ll use a portable headphone amp anyway…
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by jbay808 on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:37AM (#34398351)
- Listening to music without needing a web connection

- Very light and easy to keep in a pocket or backpack so I have it with me when I'm out, or to listen to while I cook / do hardware repairs

- No distractions

- Physical buttons means I can replay or skip tracks without looking at it

- Doesn't drain the battery of my smartphone; doesn't need recharging each week

- Has a real working FM radio in it

- Music on my SD card doesn't disappear

- Doesn't need security updates

- Bought it in 2013 and it still works

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by cube00 on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:41AM (#34398373)
Considering this new one has Android on it, your point about not needing security updates doesn't hold. If Sony is as aggressive as Google is, three years you'll have a malware magnet in addition to your smart phone.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Tams80 on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:53AM (#34399308)
Malware from where?

If you're legally buying music, not there. All the apps for mauic playback, streaming, etc. come from the Google Play Store, and there are very few that someone who buys one of these would need anyway.

I'd venture many of these will spend most of their existence with wi-fi turned off, as it's a battery hog.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by gppk on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:48AM (#34398017)
My wife has decades of music downloaded from CDs etc. It's just the music she likes, no ads/distractions/faffing about with networks etc. For her commute it works great to have just an MP3 player.

She doesn't want to listen to other music, she likes what she knows, so the benefit of recommendations etc aren't of interest either.

Just one data point for your question :)

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by MikusR on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:54AM (#34398055)
There are these things, smartphones or something like that, that apparently almost everyone has, that can do that.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by DocTomoe on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:59AM (#34398497)
Some people prefer a device that has real, physical buttons and is not permanently at risk of shattering after being dropped (the use case being to listen to music while on the go...)
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by antihero on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:19AM (#34398594)
For personal music collection I’ve found using navidrome (and subsonic before that) to be a much nicer solution than having a separate player.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by KerrAvon on Monday January 16, 2023 @12:34PM (#34403149)
Some people want to avoid futzing with tech for some things to whatever extent they can avoid it. Even some people otherwise immersed in tech.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by rtpg on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:07AM (#34398142)
A standalone MP3 player will tend to have a better interface that is much more responsive. Will be much easier to queue up certain kinds of things with a San Disk Clip Sport than an iPhone. Even just unlocking the phone is a whole thing!

The general thing of futzing around with a home screen, switching apps, having notifications?? When sometimes you just want an mp3 player.

This is my main frustration with these Sony walkmans, is that I'll still have to pay the UI friction cost from it running Android. Would love a device that really sticks to playing music... but I get that that is very hard since you lose streaming optionality.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by SomeoneOnTheWeb on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:01AM (#34398101)
The very main reason is to have a higher quality audio output. Instead of having a shitty jack a device like this will have a very good DAC & amp, sometimes even a bi-DAC and bi-amp, and also a lot more power to handle bigger headphones.

Globally if you just have a basic pair of headphones / earphones you're better off having a USB-C <=> Jack adapter or a simple bluetooth receiver, but for cases where you want to have a really higher quality source then these will do incredibly well.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Joeri on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:56AM (#34398483)
For really high quality audio you pretty much need high impedance headphones, and I don’t think these walkmen support those. I’m not convinced the new walkman sounds better than an iphone, but I’d be interested in a blind comparison test.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by antihero on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:20AM (#34398610)
Pray tell why high impedance makes sound better quality? From what I gather studio headphones have higher impedance due to sharing a signal between lots of people, not for quality reasons.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by numpad0 on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:11AM (#34398973)
I don't know how to read specs for these, but this NW-ZX707 model supports up to 50mW/ch for 3.5mm stereo and 230mW/ch @ 16 ohms for balanced output - yes it has both 3.5mm unbalanced and 4.4mm balanced TRRS on the device.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by fillest on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:57AM (#34412379)
Nah, check Fostex TH-900 (25 ohm), for example
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Xelbair on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:52AM (#34398043)
You already answered your own question, but it's mostly related to higher audio quality and owning your own music, while not being bothered by availability of internet.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by deniscepko2 on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:46AM (#34398768)
A lot of comments about the internet availability. Living in Northern Europe - never a problem. And as for lets say a flight, you can download spotify music. Audio quality i do agree that spotify kinda sucks
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Mashimo on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:56AM (#34398838)
> Living in Northern Europe > internet availability

Implying that Germany is not part of Northern Europe.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by mongol on Monday January 16, 2023 @10:54AM (#34401853)
I thought Germany was central Europe
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by MikusR on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:34AM (#34400453)
You don't need special standalone devices for that. Any Android phone has that. Is it impossible to listen to your own audio without internet on iPhones?
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by dagw on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:10AM (#34398164)
you would need a standalone MP3 player in 2023?

Children. I wanted my daughter to be able to listen to music and audio books, I didn't want to buy her a smart phone. Plus you can buy a good enough one for $30-40, so it's not as big a deal if they lose or break it.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Johnny555 on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:11AM (#34398168)
It might be nice for the office. I don’t want to run personal streaming software or load my personal mp3s on my work laptop, and I don’t want to forget my phone on my desk (again) because I was using it as a media player.

But $400 is more than I’d want to pay for it.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by michalstanko on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:00AM (#34398089)
Features like auto-playing next song that Spotify/YouTube/whoever "thinks" I "might" like after a playlist finished playing is driving me mad. (Yes, I know it can be turned off, but it's on by default. Which reminds me, despite being a subscriber, I don't really like Spotify's UI on mobile, nor on the desktop.)
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by urbandw311er on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:15AM (#34398194)
Control. Spotify uses dark UX patterns to prevent me curating and exploring a library of Music that I love, instead trying to push artists on me that line their own pockets.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by antihero on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:22AM (#34398620)
Self-hosted streaming (with downloads) is the way forward.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by hexfish on Monday January 16, 2023 @10:56AM (#34401891)
which is unfortunately becoming harder and harder with artists only releasing their media through DRM-locked platforms like Spotify/not on physical media that can be ripped/bandcamp.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by antihero on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:02AM (#34410173)
At some point it’s PCM.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by urbandw311er on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:34PM (#34422265)
Indeed - and at some point it is also forced to pass through a literal air gap, vibrating molecules as it does so at various frequencies — another “attack vector”.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by kleiba on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:08AM (#34398152)
I don't use smart phones because I don't like my every step to be tracked and recorded for an extended period of time by some company.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by chongli on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:01AM (#34398098)
Working out. Who wants to exercise while carrying a giant phone around with them? A tiny mp3 player is so much better for this!
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by DanTheManPR on Monday January 16, 2023 @12:07PM (#34402758)
I hang on to my old iPod shuffles and nanos with clips on them, and have paid to get them refurbed. It's just so easy to clip them onto my shirt and go. The alternative is... what, to put my gigantic phablet phone in the small pocket of my running shorts?

I shouldn't complain too much, since there actually are a fair number of modern small dedicated mp3 players that can clip on to your shirt (although none of them that I know of are quite as unobtrusive and lightweight as a 2nd gen iPod shuffle).

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by 112233 on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:55AM (#34398470)
I need a standalone music player so that an old person with severe arthritis and poor vision can listen to music and audiobooks.

These devices are not it.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by nathias on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:59AM (#34398502)
not everyone uses those services
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by bebna on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:56AM (#34398837)
The way you can't understand that, is the same way I can't understand why people would listen to Spotify.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by LAC-Tech on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:57AM (#34398851)
Sure.

- I can control it completely without looking at a screen.

- It's easier to put my mp3s on there than it is to do that on a phone.

- The battery lasts a lot longer than a phone

- It has a headphone jack

- No crappy software needed, it's just a USB drive as far as my computer is concerned.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by MikusR on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:32AM (#34400438)
> It's easier to put my mp3s on there than it is to do that on a phone. > No crappy software needed, it's just a USB drive as far as my computer is concerned.

I understand that apple device users live in their special world. But every android phone does this.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by LAC-Tech on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:28PM (#34404505)
Does it? I have an android phone, but it's obviously been so long since I tried to put music on it I can't remember.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by MikusR on Monday January 16, 2023 @02:54PM (#34404762)
You plug it in and copy what you want.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by npteljes on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @02:00AM (#34409829)
It does, albeit in a shittier way than the dedicated players do. Instead of presenting itself as a removable drive, it uses the MTP protocol. Slower UX and but mostly similar to handling normal files.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by didntreadarticl on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:20AM (#34399047)
I have an Oakcastle MP200, it cost £20, is tiny and weights nothing. I can use the controls without looking at the screen. Battery lasts seemingly forever. I can take it to the gym, clip it onto my clothes and listen to music without being interrupted by phone notifications and without having to take my phone with me.

Makes me nostalgic for the pre-smartphone era

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by Tams80 on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:43AM (#34399235)
I don't want to be connected to the Internet all the time, yet still listen to music? Is that not a good enough reason?

And contrary to what many seem to think, cellular data is not always available and data caps are still a thing.

If I sound pissed off, that's because I am. I've seen an ever increasing number of comments like yours that just dismiss things because they don't see the value to them. They then phrase their dismissal as an innocent question (which, honestly, comes across as very condescending).

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by michaeltimo on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:29PM (#34406318)
I understand your point, but a question will be why not just loading your smartphone with mp3 files. In this case, you don't need internet connection (if this is the only the reason) and you don't need a separate device.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by autoexec on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:56AM (#34400663)
I got one specifically because I love the offline nature of the device. I don't use streaming, and I don't want ads or my device going out to the internet and giving 3rd parties a list of what I listen to and when either.

I also like the idea of a device that does one thing but does it well, unlike a cell phone that tries to be everything for everyone. With a dedicated music player there's no distraction. No notifications, no texts, no calls, no games, no internet. A good music player does everything you need but stays out of your way. A cell phone is designed to demand your attention as often as possible and hold onto it for as long as possible.

Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by jccalhoun on Monday January 16, 2023 @11:15AM (#34402098)
I'm cheap and don't pay for an unlimited data plan/
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by xd1936 on Monday January 16, 2023 @11:46AM (#34402485)
Why have an outdoor grill when you have a stove? Sometimes some things are better at specialized tasks than other things are.
Re:New Sony Walkman music players feature good looks, Androi... by ThinkingGuy on Monday January 16, 2023 @01:58PM (#34404178)
I don't own a smartphone, but I'd like to be able to put on headphones and listen to music (from the vast collection on my computer) when I'm traveling, driving, or doing chores.