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Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by thrwawy74 on Friday January 13, 2023 @11:24PM (#34377384)
I emailed the LG CEO and some of the executive board and said (in colorful language) that the only reason I bought this TV was because the quality was unmatched. For the moment LG is the only vendor where I can get an OLED TV like this. But as soon as there are competitors I will remember never to buy LG again for the terrible ad and tv menu experience. I also said how annoying it was that you commit to a particular smart assistant (google or alexa), and the TV will nag you to set up Alexa. I made my choice leave me alone.

The analogy is Tesla is the only one making good electric cars. When there's competition, I will never buy Tesla because of the shitty experience.

Also for >$1k it should let you use the TV as an HDMI multiviewer. It has 4 HDMI ports on the back, let me view plug in my personal laptop on the port 1, work laptop on port 2, and divide the screen to give each laptop a "2nd monitor". Or even 2 monitors each.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by smolyeet on Friday January 13, 2023 @11:56PM (#34377492)
I just wish TVs were just the panel without all the smart features. I only use the Apple TV anyways.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by miah_ on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:12AM (#34377540)
Google Dumb TV, there are still plenty of vendors selling them. They are frequently seen in Airports..
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by djbusby on Saturday January 14, 2023 @01:43AM (#34377882)
Alibaba has them. I'm running a Scepter 2018 model, just cause it's dumb. Smart devices, dumb display.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by vladvasiliu on Saturday January 14, 2023 @03:35AM (#34378455)
> They are frequently seen in Airports..

You mean for advertising, showing timetables, etc?

Those are usually "digital signage" panels. Colors may or may not be OK on those, but there are two things to keep in mind:

1. They are outrageously expensive because they're made to be run blindingly bright 24/7.

2. They are less and less dumb, complete with ridiculously long startup times.

The company I work for uses these. And while a few years ago only the higher-priced ones used to feature "smart" features, the "cheaper" ones now have them, too. Now, in our case, we like those because it allows us to control the screens from a central location, and they don't require setting up a Raspberry Pi or similar to show content on them. But "dumb" they are not anymore.

They're typically running some form of Android or Samsung's Tizen. I don't directly use them, so I don't know the details, but a quick glance at Samsung's website seems to show that consumer models use Tizen, too.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by dontknowwhyihn on Saturday January 14, 2023 @02:39AM (#34378145)
Get a short throw projector. You can plug an apple tv into it and project whatever you want on the wall. It’s the perfect dumb screen.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by thrwawy74 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:59AM (#34378925)
I really enjoy the color reproduction on true OLEDs.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by cfn on Saturday January 14, 2023 @03:08AM (#34378289)
There are LG (and other's) OLED monitors that do away with all the nonsense. They only go up to 48'' though.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by smolder on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:28AM (#34378742)
It doesn't compare to Frank's 2000 inch tv... But 48" is plenty. If you need more than that you can get a projector. Vote with your money and don't buy smart TVs! They're almost universally user-hostile trash.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by holoduke on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:38AM (#34378810)
I got myself a 60 inch samsung monitor screen for a 1000 euros. Ok its 60hz and no fancy colors. But its more than enough for me.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by 867-5309 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @04:40AM (#34378817)
in the UK, Cello make dumb variants of their smart TVs, up to 50" 4K
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by ianai on Saturday January 14, 2023 @05:53AM (#34379195)
I wonder how difficult it would be to stand up a new panel manufacturer or just tv manufacturer? The current prices of TVs makes it seem cheaper than the past, but could be just locking out entrants.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by cube2222 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @06:10AM (#34379292)
I'm using an apple tv with a fairly new LG OLED and never get any ads (I do let it update).

So I think it's just in the WebOS, which I don't really ever use.

In other words, you can use it as a stupid panel and not get ads.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by daemin on Saturday January 14, 2023 @06:35AM (#34379461)
Don't worry, Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs.

I'm pretty sure the smart features were put into TVs so they could become the one entertainment device just like those external set top boxes in the early 2000's. All consumer media hardware is headed in this direction of having advertisements, even in paid/subscription services. I base this on the fact that Foxtel (effectively the one and only paid TV service in Australia) has more ads per hour than free to air TV as people that pay a subscription are considered to have a higher income than ones that don't.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by sgjohnson on Saturday January 14, 2023 @11:33AM (#34381526)
> Apple TV will soon get ads and the experience will be much the same as the "Smart" TVs.

Which would completely kill the reason to buy it. I highly doubt that Apple is going to do that.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by cjbgkagh on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:18PM (#34381922)
Adding ads to a product is one of the easiest ways to get a huge bonus. All of the revenue is attributed to you and most of the reputation is diffused throughout the company and only occurs much later.

This almost guarantees that at lesson one person is working on it, without a strong customer focused leadership it’s hard to say no to that amount of money.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by daemin on Saturday January 14, 2023 @06:05PM (#34385016)
They put in ads into iOS, why wouldn't they put in ads in Apple TV?
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by sgjohnson on Sunday January 15, 2023 @05:25AM (#34388341)
They did?
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by amanaplanacanal on Sunday January 15, 2023 @07:11AM (#34388815)
I think they are talking about App Store. And maybe the nag in settings to “finish setting up your iPhone”
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by mensetmanusman on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:51AM (#34389804)
Yes, when you accidentally tap an address and you don’t have Maps installed but you have Google Maps installed, it will entirely ignore the better maps service and force you to the Maps installation on the app store.

Maps has sent me to cornfields a few too many times to be trustworthy. It’s incredibly annoying that they refuse to let me choose google maps to open an address. Anti-trust needs to step in some day.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by rewgs on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:26PM (#34381979)
I just use a PC plugged into my TV, and a wireless keyboard/trackpad. I don’t see a reason to get an Apple TV or similar —- typing anything is such a pain, and the trend is that no matter what, you’re eventually gonna see some ads. Ublock Origin in a browser is still working great, though.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by boyter on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:52AM (#34377686)
What got me was when my LG tv updated itself. In doing so it broke the Ethernet connection which I was using because the wifi has an issue where it just stops all of a sudden for no reason.

I was able to resolve the wifi issue by resetting the region to another and back and turning off the auto setting for it, but frankly it’s appalling an update can go out that breaks something as basic as Ethernet.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by imiric on Saturday January 14, 2023 @02:30AM (#34378107)
This is one of the reasons why I've never connected mine to a network. All features thankfully work fine OOB, and I don't see any ads, but I fear that updating it would only harm the UX, not improve it.

The fact a premium TV shows ads is appalling. Does LG really need to sacrifice their brand reputation just to get that advertising revenue? Whoever is calling the shots for this decision should be fired.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by ssl232 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @03:21AM (#34378373)
Once Microsoft started putting ads in the Windows start menu all bets were off.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by parineum on Saturday January 14, 2023 @03:37AM (#34378473)
I update via USB. Features do get added that improve the experience but I think that's probably and edge case because I'm using the VRR and HDR heavily as a PC monitor. I haven't had any issues except that I can't turn off bluetooth advertising and, every now and then, a neighbor tries to pair.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by javajosh on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:15AM (#34380466)
Reputation isn't what it used to be. Which tech news org is willing to risk the wrath of LG, losing early access, losing invitations to events.

Money can buy reputation, so as long as the revenue from ads exceeds the cost to repair reputational damage, this will continue.

This is also a case where the manufacturer takes advantage of the unstable software Zeitgeist to gaslight users into thinking this is just how things are now, it's normal and natural and if you don't like it you're old/disruptive/weird.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by aceazzameen on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:23AM (#34380974)
This is why I don't update my Sony TV. It's still on the original version of Android it shipped with. I think I'm missing out on DolbyVision, but I don't care. My TV is snappier and lacks ads that the newer software updates added to the same model.

Is it a security hole? Probably. I have it siloed away from my network on its own router with its own subnet.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by iancmceachern on Saturday January 14, 2023 @01:26AM (#34377815)
This lg monitor have let's you do that, agreed that they should extend the capability to their tvs.

LG 43UN700-B

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by thrwawy74 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @02:25AM (#34378073)
It annoys me to no end that they're more focused on ads than features that might bring a ton of work-from-home consumers to their store.

I remember looking all over for an "hdmi quadviewer" that had all of these things:

>= 120hz hdr / 10-bit color edid web admin to adjust layouts (or some other method)

I got close, but the biggest thing I can't find is higher framerate viewers. My TV should do this.

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by beezlewax on Saturday January 14, 2023 @07:18AM (#34379694)
LG TVs constantly try to get you to install Alexa. To the point that it'll pop up and you'll accidentally install it when you were pressing buttons for something else. I've had to uninstall multiple times between me and visiting friends accidentally installing Alexa.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by Hikikomori on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:04AM (#34380378)
Mine doesn't, I haven't accepted the user agreement that pops up when pressing the microphone button. Maybe it stops if don't accept it?
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by TheHappyOddish on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:00AM (#34398090)
FYI, if your TV is rooted (rootmy.tv, or if it's too new: https://github.com/RootMyTV/RootMyTV.github.io/issues/85#iss...), you can remap the remote: https://github.com/andrewfraley/magic_mapper
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by paulcole on Saturday January 14, 2023 @07:43AM (#34379852)
But you did but it?

-Jack Sparrow, LG CEO

Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by cjbgkagh on Saturday January 14, 2023 @12:23PM (#34381960)
Lol, I was thinking that. I’m pretty sure in maximizing profit it’s important to figure out the limit of abuse customers will take, telling them that you’ve reached your limit is almost like saying job well done.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by amelius on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:59AM (#34380768)
This is why these companies should be broken up into companies that produce flatpanels and companies that produce TVs.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by kapilvt on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:50AM (#34381189)
I was really questioning the size of big monitors (40+) as a convergence to tv, but unusable as desktop monitor, but now it appears they are a good replacement for a tv, sans the ads tracking, spam, and crappy interface.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by PaulBGD_ on Saturday January 14, 2023 @11:56AM (#34381717)
You could get a Sony TV, they’ve been making OLED tvs since 2017. A lot of them (all? I had a hard time finding sources on some) use the exact same panels as LG.
Re:GitHub – pi-hole/pi-hole: A black hole for Internet adver... by j-krieger on Saturday January 14, 2023 @03:54PM (#34384074)
They still got your money, and will continue to do so if their products are worth it.