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Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by bombcar on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:19AM (#34339369)
Airlines aren't the only things doing "air missions" - there is software that filters out much of it, but it IS quite archaic (similar to how the "official weather" notifications are set out).

Look at the Ukraine one for a pretty scary example.

Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by dpe82 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:48AM (#34339746)
Nit: it's just "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by maxcan on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:59AM (#34339874)
Double nit: this was not a misuse the deprecated term "The Ukraine" but the correct use of 'the' attaching to "Ukrainian one" referring to the NOTAM basically telling everyone to remain clear of Ukrainian airspace.
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by azherebtsov on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:43AM (#34340524)
Triple nit: “airspaces” - there are 5 FIRs and 1 UIR in Ukraine https://uksatse.ua/index.php?s=330da740cf9126adde95bad0face2...
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by ineedasername on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:51AM (#34340683)
nit RFI: What is it about "Ukraine" (phonetically maybe?) that makes me, a westerner in the US, want to put a "the" before it every time I reference it as a country instead of just, you know, using the name of the country?

I don't go around calling other proper nouns "the" (mostly). I don't call my son "Hey there, the Bob, how was school today?" (his name is not bob). But if I had named my son Ukraine then I feel like I'd change that sentence to: "Hey! The Ukraine, how was school today?"

Why is this a thing? I have a formal background in applied/computational linguistics and a bit of trivial searching doesn't really reveal why this is a general tendency. Hurt's my brain meat.

Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by bombcar on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @12:03PM (#34340879)
Here's some that you want to "the": Alps, Matterhorn, US Navy, Rock.
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by wstuartcl on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:15PM (#34342118)
Depending on your age and general personal history, in the past it was very common to see references and use of "the Ukraine" to talk about the region/area as well as the country (that mostly covers that geographical area). It could be remnants of your recollections popping up subconsciously.

In this case it really was meant to be projected as similar to "Have you seen the Bob document yet?"

Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by duckmysick on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:08PM (#34343895)
Maybe because it's similar to "the UK" (United Kingdom).
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by cwmoore on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:38PM (#34344349)
“The Yukon”
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by netsharc on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:15PM (#34347117)
In German (maybe some other languages too?) it's common to use "the" to refer to a 3rd person, so if Bob's sister Charlotte came home from school but not Bob, she could say "The Bob went to the mall".

Seems like it's the same way in Finnish, Finnish F1 driver Mika Häkkinen referred to Michael Schumacher as "The Michael".

Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by dpe82 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:18PM (#34433931)
Whoops - yup, I jumped the gun there.
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by bombcar on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:59AM (#34339873)
Try replacing it in the sentence - it doesn't work, "the" is modifying "one" not Ukraine.

I suppose it could have been written "the Ukrainian one" but the the would still be there.

Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by dpe82 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:18PM (#34433934)
Whoops - yup, I jumped the gun there.
Re:FAA NOTAM System Outage Affecting All North America Flights by tjohns on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:35PM (#34342464)
The official weather notifications (METARs/TAFs) can be displayed in more modern ways, but many pilots like the brief coded weather messages because they can be easily skimmed for an entire route of flight.

In my mind, AIRMETs were a bigger problem - they had limitations in terms of how they were geographically defined, time range, and lack of flexibility (e.g. differentiating turbulence vs LLWS vs strong surface winds for AIRMET Tango) - but that's been fixed with the newer G-AIRMET feed[1], which is based around BUFR[2] instead of plain text.

The catch being you can't easily convey G-AIRMETs via voice or in an non-interactive environment, so we still keep the legacy text-based AIRMET feed around in parallel.

[1]: https://www.aviationweather.gov/gairmet/help

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUFR