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Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by cjrp on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:53AM (#34322146)
To cross the Atlantic with a twin-engined plane has that requirement (ETOPS).
Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by robga on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:16AM (#34322273)
This was a fun rabbit hole to go down, with the ETOPS [1] hint.

I enjoyed the history of ETOPS-138 [0]. ETOPS-120 leaves some small triangles of the Atlantic inaccessible, particularly if one emergency airfield is unavailable. A 15% increase to 138 minutes covers it.

Anecdotally, though, my experience as a commercial passenger feels like airlines fly almost directly over pacific islands rather than within X minutes of diversion. My memory may be anchored in bygone years.

[0] https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30979/why-etops...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by squaresmile on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:54AM (#34322541)
gcmap can map path with etops consideration http://www.gcmap.com/mapui

> pacific islands

Depending on the jet streams, the flight can take the great circle route [0] or taking advantage of the jet stream [1] and flying more southernly

[0] https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL6/history/20230108/02... [1] https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL6/history/20230105/02...

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by phire on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:23AM (#34323173)
Even then, it didn't take the actual great circle route because Russia.

The Japan to Europe flights are even worse. The great circle route cuts west, straight across Russia [0]. These days, they fly east to the Bering Strait then more or less directly over the north pole [1] (though probably easier to see on great-circle: [2])

[0] http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HND-FRA

[1] https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH717/history/20230109/...

[2] http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HND-NUZAN-KUTAL-FRA

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by iso1631 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:33AM (#34323260)
The direct route from FRA (Frankfurt Airport) to KUTAL (a navigational beacon on the Baring Sea in American airspace) passes within just 51 miles of the North Pole

Back in the Soviet era when USSR airspace was closed to most Western flights, planes couldn't do that route non stop from Europe, so had to stop over in Anchorage for refueling.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BINP%2CFRA-KUTAL%0D%0A&MS=wls&D...

Need to find an excuse to go to Japan

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by phire on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:55AM (#34323439)
That's pretty close.

Playing around, a theoretical NUE (Nuremberg) to KUTAL flight comes within 1 mile of the North Pole

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by iso1631 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:34AM (#34323872)
Looking at FR24's tracks (which are suplemented by satellite updates now), they do seem to fly further south, presumably to benefit from winds

Well into the 24 hour polar night/day period though (depending on time of year)

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by cm2187 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:33AM (#34323250)
I presume there must be an examption for Easter Island, which is so remote that they only allow one aircraft within a thousand miles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mataveri_International_Airport...
Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by ThinkingGuy on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:10AM (#34327015)
I recommend the Wendover Productions Youtube video on ETOPS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSxSgbNQi-g

Re:Crisis over The Atlantic: The near crash of Air Transat f... by iso1631 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:27AM (#34323198)
Officially ETOPS stands for "Engines Turn or Passengers Swim"