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Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by ssklash on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:19PM (#34190749)
I think the problem is not that they didn't recognize this fact, but that they intentionally ignored it in order to maintain an artificial scarcity of physicians, thereby ensuring higher wages.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by downrightmike on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:40PM (#34190979)
That there are thousands of graduated doctors that can't get residencies because they went to school in the Caribbean, needs to be resolved. Get them in residencies and we will be on an accelerated resolution path.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by maxerickson on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:52PM (#34191082)
The way to do this is a modest hospital tax.

That way the funding is scaled to the size of the industry without reevaluating it year to year.

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by giantg2 on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:02PM (#34191159)
We already do this sort of thing via Medicare. It's simply underfunded. It seems it would be more effective to expanded and properly manage the existing tax than start a new one. In theory, this would scale well based on population.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by maxerickson on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:18PM (#34191306)
Taxing hospital revenues aligns the tax with what you want it to reduce.

I suppose it would end up in healthcare organizations working to have care classified as non-hospital to avoid the tax.

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by giantg2 on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:27PM (#34191392)
How would it reduce staffing shortages? Hospitals wouldn't care if they pass it on to patients. It would be cheaper to continue to understaff since they'd pay the tax either way.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by giantg2 on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:01PM (#34191146)
Even many domestic doctors have had difficulty getting residencies due to the funding structure.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by wolverine876 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:25PM (#34190806)
Did it say that in the article? I didn't see it. Is there evidence of that?
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by passwordoops on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:39PM (#34190969)
This is a case where the act itself is evidence of the intent.

I know how insulting this is, but asking this question implies either the one asking shouldn't participate in discussions of any kind, or is involved in the corruption

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by noyoudumbdolt on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:30PM (#34190868)
It’s pretty obvious why the doctor’s guild would prevent more medical school spots from being available.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by wolverine876 on Friday December 30, 2022 @07:32PM (#34191889)
> It’s pretty obvious why ...

That's never evidence and a well-labeled gateway to our own fallacy. There's a reason serious examination of an issue requires factual evidence in any field, from medicine to law to science, etc.

IME, in areas I lack expertise, the truth is usually intuitive but an unexpected intuition. The only solution, the only source of truth, is evidence.

Do I need to say this on HN? Sadly, it seems like it.

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by noyoudumbdolt on Friday December 30, 2022 @08:25PM (#34192339)
This is how every guild in history has operated. Every profession when it controls the supply of its own members seeks to limit it. The AMA can only furnish the weakest of excuses for this practice. They say it has to do with federal funding for residency programs. But there's no reason for residency programs to need federal funding at all. They generate more value for hospitals than they cost to run.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by wolverine876 on Saturday December 31, 2022 @11:54AM (#34198239)
There's a reason evidence, not fact-free theories, is required.

But now I see the name of your throwaway account. It's sad that you can't talk to other people respectfully.

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by noyoudumbdolt on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:33AM (#34261082)
:'(
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by avmich on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:33PM (#34190904)
It would be interesting to predict a surplus of software engineers and sharply raise the requirements for applicants to engineering departments.

At least the prediction of surplus of VCs in all other countries except US seems to be working well.

/s

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by lazide on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:31PM (#34190874)
I would hope they’d be smart enough to not write it down if they did.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by strawhatguy on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:31PM (#34190875)
It didn’t no, but that’s the effect, and why it was so slow to change: the existing members benefited.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by wolverine876 on Friday December 30, 2022 @07:27PM (#34191851)
It's an hypothesis that's worth exploring because of the apparent effect you point out, which is I think is fact. Based on this discussion, I suspect nobody here knows any evidence.

The very sad and dangerous issue is, they don't seem to care or grasp the fallibility of their subjective judgment. Some even turn to ridicule as an argument, which of course is irrelevant and obstructs the search for truth.

Without truth, we are doomed. We only spin our wheels, sometimes excitedly, sometimes frantically, sometimes confidently - but it's all a waste of time and labor. We go nowhere; we gain nothing; we are in the same place tomorrow as today (or we may go backward). We don't even know what problems there are or how to solve them.

(The claim that existing members benefit also needs evidence: Existing members express feeling very overworked, which doesn't corroborate the claim, and most analyses I see say the the money is going to the insurance companies and the hospital owners and managment.)

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by darth_avocado on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:30PM (#34190867)
Is there another reason why having a surplus of doctors a problem?
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by mbg721 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:31PM (#34190879)
Isn't "the existing doctors would be displeased" reason enough?
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by avmich on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:39PM (#34190964)
Why doctors would be displeased? They could offload some ungodly load to their peers, while enjoying less desperate patients. BTW patients significantly outnumber doctors, and they would probably be pleased, no?

/s

Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by orhmeh09 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:35PM (#34190927)
No?
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by mbg721 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:39PM (#34190963)
Well, that's pretty much what the current protectionism is doing.
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by orhmeh09 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:58PM (#34191131)
That’s unfortunately true. “The purpose of a system is what it does.”
Re:The Moratorium on US Medical School Enrollment from 1980 ... by wolverine876 on Friday December 30, 2022 @07:28PM (#34191862)
There are many possible reasons. Do you want to seriously explore them?