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Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @03:58AM (#34103708)
Easily be able to replace the battery yourself is meaningless on its own if the OEM doesn't also sell original batteries.

If you shop online for new batteries for old phones you're most likely getting a fake or an old battery repackaged as "new".

EU should first force the manufacturers to actually sell you original batteries for the phones they sell.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ranguna on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:39AM (#34103942)
> EU should first force the manufacturers to actually sell you original batteries for the phones they sell.

https://replique.io/2021/03/15/right-to-repair-regulation-ma...

Not for everything, but it's a start.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by pjmlp on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:38AM (#34103935)
A moot point, most of us just buy batteries on street bazars and street repair shops, regardless of their actual quality.
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by herbst on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:18AM (#34103825)
There are plenty of battery makers that make just as good battery replacements for way less money. My old ThinkPad got a $30 fake battery and is better than ever, in my Canon Camera I even prefer the 'fake' battery, as it's slightly longer living.

And I still sometimes find Nokia 3310 compatible batteries in things like cheap china remotes.

Pretty sure once there is a real market there will be more than enough alternatives with any quality you could ask for.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:20AM (#34103840)
A fake battery could also burn your house down with you sleeping in it.
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by herbst on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:36AM (#34103926)
a real one could too, see Samsung or any toy e-scooters. There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries.

Imagine how big the market is for cameras alone. Just a quick glance at Amazon shows you there are 2-3 companies that have nothing but good reputation for their 'fakes'

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:20AM (#34104191)
>a real one could too, see Samsung

With a real battery from someone like Samsung i know who I can hold accountable and sue for damages when that happens. Especially since Samsung has a legal entity in my country. But good luck doing anything with Lucky Star Battery LLC China.

>There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries

Which are the ones that make reputable phone batteries?

I saw a YouTuber buy half a dozen iphone 6 batteries off the internet and all were found to be fake or original refurbished with significant wear.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by herbst on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:25AM (#34104215)
I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements. All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs.
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:06AM (#34104490)
>I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements

Well my initial post you replied to was precisely about phone batteries if you would be so kind to read it again. So...

>All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs.

And I told you already that the market has existed for a long time and is now flooded by low quality fakes and knockoffs that can set your house on fire. So we need legislation to force manufacturer to sell original batteries to the consumers instead of having consumers go online or to dodgy corner shops and risk buying dangerous fakes.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by inkyoto on Friday December 23, 2022 @07:34AM (#34105112)
I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements, but I have one recent experience of a neighbour in my apartment building recharging his electric scooter, and a dodgy (or cheap or both) battery in the said scooter blowing up at 3am in the morning on a cold winter night decimating the neighbour's apartment and with sprinklers flooding two stories with water. Residents from both floors could not return to their apartments for a day (the floor above) and two (on the floor where the explosion happened).

The fire brigade attending the scene told me that the only reason the neighbour survived the blast was due to him recharing the battery in a spare bedroom. The explosion nearly vapourised the bedroom door, threw what remained of it out, and it blew the window frame out as well. There was a gaping hole on that side of the building. Luckily, the ordeal took place seven stories below me, but, no, I do not want the same thing to happen anywhere in the nearest vicinity ever again.

No, it doesn't console me that phone batteries are smaller, and the physical damage would be less. If a dodgy battery in someone's phone explodes whilst their are handling the phone in their hands, I do not want to wish anyone to be that person who could lose a limb, an eyesight, an eye (or both), or a permutation thereof. People do stupid things, and some will do absolutely them one day (i.e. manually installing a dodgy knock-off battery into their phone and accidentally shortening the contacts).

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by mfuzzey on Friday December 23, 2022 @10:58AM (#34107169)
Maybe but not because it's a "fake" but because it's low quality. Anything that is dangerous and doesn't meet safety regulations should be banned. But there's nothing inherently wrong with 3rd party parts, batteries or otherwise.
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by atoav on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:15AM (#34103818)
If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it. This is a classical hen-egg problem and to first force batteries to be replaceable is a good start.

(This post has been written on a modern smart phone with a replaceable battery).

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @10:49AM (#34107058)
>If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it.

There already is a market for every phone battery ever made, even though they're not easily removable. The problem is they're mostly fakes or used parts masquerading as new after the scammers have reset their chips. That's the issue that this EU law won't fix.

If we could buy the parts directly from the manufacturers supply chain (with the added cost) we'd all be saved.

Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by atoav on Friday December 23, 2022 @11:59AM (#34108034)
Yeah, I replaced batteries in devices where replacing the battery meant removing the (glued in) display and the (also glued in) battery more than once before. That is just not something regular people can do.
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by thefounder on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:12AM (#34105387)
I'm sure Apple will still replace it for you for the right price
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by ChuckNorris89 on Friday December 23, 2022 @10:42AM (#34106976)
Like they do already?
Re:Battery replacement must be 'easily' achieved by consumer... by thefounder on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:44AM (#34115134)
Yes, the exception will be that savy consumers will replace it themselves.