Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014)

Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by josephmosby on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:08PM (#34041529)

The word "soccer" started in England as a slang of "association," which became "assocc" and then "soccer." Americans learned the word from the English.

It may also surprise you to learn that water closets are called restrooms in other countries that speak English.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by Oxidation on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:38PM (#34043794)

FYI, literally no-one calls them that in the UK either. While you may sometimes see WC on, usually older, signage or maps, it's at least as common to see "toilets". It's invariably those letters and never written out in full. I think if you asked people what WC stands for, write a few simply wouldn't know.

If you're the type who considers the word toilet vulgar, you'd likely say "lavatory" instead. If you're trying to be actually polite rather than just signal poshness, you'd make a discrete exit without stating your exact excretory intention.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by umanwizard on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:12PM (#34041572)

This is similar to getting upset that in various countries an apple is called “pomme”, “manzana”, “apple”, etc. Shouldn’t we call it by the name it’s called in whichever country it was first cultivated?

In fact no, we shouldn’t, because different languages and dialects have different words for things, and that’s just a fact of life.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by lmm on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:43PM (#34044764)

If you're speaking a different language, using a different word is fine. But if you presume to claim to be speaking "English", then you should use the word they use in England.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by umanwizard on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:06PM (#34045195)

I claim to speak American English. I don’t recognize any dialect of English, including my own, as the primary one that all others have to follow, because English is a pluricentric language. I’ll never tell someone from England, Ireland, Australia, India, Zimbabwe etc. that their version of English is wrong, and they shouldn’t tell me that mine is either.

This phenomenon isn’t unique to English, by the way. Every language spoken in more than one country (AFAIK) has some words that vary between countries.

Your argument is a bit ridiculous IMO, it’s like saying neovim should merge every patch that gets merged to vim.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by sasattack on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:30AM (#34048846)

And yet you don't know that the term soccer comes from association football and was coined by the English

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by lmm on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:17AM (#34049089)

I'm aware, I just don't consider it relevant.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by sasattack on Monday December 19, 2022 @11:52AM (#34054318)

Oh you're aware you just are choosing to discard relevant information in order to maintain your high ground ? Oh ok got it. Real rationalist over here

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by lmm on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:08PM (#34058431)

I'm choosing to discard it precisely because it isn't relevant, as I said. When and where a word was coined implies nothing about what languages it is and isn't a part of today.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by umanwizard on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:41AM (#34064554)

Indeed, but “soccer” is part of American English today. Why should we stop using a word just because people in a different country stopped using it? Is your argument really that we should speak identically to people in England, because the language happens to be called “English” ?

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by lmm on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @01:04AM (#34077250)

I think you should either conform to English English, or treat American as a first-class language of its own (and e.g. start offering translated websites).

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by jonstewart on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:15PM (#34041625)

Not in the USA it isn’t, and this website is hosted in the USA and it seems likely that at least the largest plurality, if not majority, of readers live in the USA.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by heywhatupboys on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:23PM (#34041732)

> and this website is hosted in the USA

of all the arguments in the world this is the worst one. A nationalist leftover reminding us that while the internet has potential for global unity, someone will forcibly drag it down to worldly borders

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by umanwizard on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:28PM (#34041816)

You’re the one chiding people for speaking their native language online because it differs from yours.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by plandis on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:45PM (#34042061)

Nothing screams international unity quite like getting upset some people call a game soccer in their normal language.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by nickcox on Sunday December 18, 2022 @04:02PM (#34043319)

That's not really how the internet works.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by noduerme on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:27PM (#34041802)

¡Coge tu fútbol!

Just means "grab your football" in Spain, but means something completely different in Argentina ;)

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by amval on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:04PM (#34042346)

I don't think anyone would say that in Spain, as long as they are not having a stroke.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by permalac on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:22PM (#34042715)

Very strong stroke.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by noduerme on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:12AM (#34048746)

Hah. My Spanish is riddled with errors, I admit, even though I lived in Spanish speaking countries for about 5 years. Coger is a word I just completely avoid at all costs. Terminar also. I learn mostly by public embarrassment, and patient explanation, so please tell me why it wouldn't be proper to say "pick up your football" that way?

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by amval on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:15AM (#34049723)

You are right about the "coger" (to pick up / to fuck) part. But fútbol is just the sport. You'd talk about "coger la pelota / balón".

I'd assume is the same in Argentina, but I do not know that for certain.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by elondaits on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:10AM (#34050427)

In Argentina “terminar” is OK but “acabar” (almost same meaning) is the dangerous one.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by elondaits on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:08AM (#34050420)

We don’t call the ball itself fútbol in Argentina, only the game. The ball is la pelota.

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by jzoch on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:07PM (#34041514)

I mean the british invented the word soccer to describe the sport. They also created the sport itself (in its modern iteration and rules).

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Re:Lionel Messi Is Impossible (2014) by sasattack on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:29AM (#34048841)

It comes from the phrase association football. You're just ignorant it's a term that's from the same place where football was created

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