If they reported the specific locations of the jet, could you… point to where they reported on that?

Aaron Rupar says he linked to the Facebook page which displays the location, which he assumes is what got him banned.

This is ridiculous.

1. The jet’s location is publicly available by law.

2. No one knows who’s in “Elons jet”.

If Elon wants to travel private without anyone knowing he is he can simply charter a jet. This is what most celebrities do.

I'm not defending his choice to ban it. The person I was responding to made the claim that the journalists were banned without even having posted the banned information. If that's true, that's bad in a different way than the choice to ban the information in the first place.

My position is that I don't like his decision to ban this information, but I understand it. If, however, he is using this as an excuse to capriciously ban his enemies, that is something I don't like a lot more.

Let's cut the bullshit. If the same thing was happening with AOC everyone knows journalists would be taking the other side. There would be no splitting of hairs with "it's publicly available" and dismissal of safety concerns.

Does AOC own her own jet? If not, you're just trying really hard to make two things that are not the same, the same in your mind. The rest of us are looking at each other with raised eyebrows intimating "what's this about?"

"If the same thing was happening"

It's a hypothetical. Swap the word "Elon" with "AOC".

There are multiple issues here and people can be upset about some while not being upset about all of them. Musk specifically Saif he would not ban the account that reports on his jets location. He then changed his mind and the account was banned. Journalists reported the ban and were themselves banned for their reporting.

Personally, while I think banning the jet location account is hypocritical I don't have a serious problem with it. I do have a problem with banning journalists reporting on the ban.

The "other side" wasn't ranting about not banning any speech that wasn't illegal. Also, AOC doesn't have a private jet.

Sure, they just... did it silently.

Does AOC own a private jet?

You know, I’m sick of people saying AOC is the far left version of Elon, or more often, the left’s Marjorie Taylor Greene. Bullshit. AOC is more left of center than most in Congress but if you follow her, she’s mostly earnest (especially for a pol) and she does the work. Even when I disagree with her, I find her to be considerate and intellectually honest. She’s not the left’s Elon, MTG or Boebert, she’s far, far better.

It's not really a left or right thing actually. She abandoned the far left and aligned with the establishment. Elon is moderate left and anti-establishment. That's why they make for a useful contrast.

Please, Elon’s companies rely on so much establishment money in the US, the establishment’s control over its population in China, etc.. He’s as establishment as it gets. Just has a veneer of anti-establishment that, checks notes, leans right / authoritarian.

I don't think there's anything moderate about him anymore.

Isn't it pretty natural to find politicians closer to you on the political spectrum more appealing than politicians further from you?

"The Media" regularly report on the exact real time location of AOC.

If AOC flew a private jet to Cuba I'm sure Republicans would tweet about it.

> 2. No one knows who’s in “Elons jet”.

There's very good ways to guess who's in Elon's Jet.

I'm not sure why would anyone would trust what Musk says without independent confirmation...

I think it's fair not to draw conclusions either way without confirmation. But if that's what's happening here the statements should be framed in those terms, not as a declarations that he banned people who didn't even violate his new rule.

Given past performance, along with behavior like banning links to Mastodon, it's also completely fair to guess that Musk is likely lying again. It's a common behavior of his, and far more likely than some of these journalists lying, when the journalists could easily be proven wrong, at great cost to themselves. Musk pays no penalty for lying.

Donie O'Sullivan (CNN) was banned for this tweet, which said nothing about anyone's location: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkEaofdXEAYRac0?format=jpg&name=...

I wonder how long it'll be before Musk starts remotely shutting down the Teslas of people who say things about him that he doesn't like.

Why do you think he was banned for that tweet?

I believe that was their last tweet before being banned. Do you have a more likely tweet for causing the ban?

why are you going to the mat here

I'm annoyed by everyone just making things up that they find ideologically convenient. I'm annoyed when Elon does it, I'm annoyed when his enemies do it.

no one is making it up tho

> I wonder how long it'll be before Musk starts remotely shutting down the Teslas of people who say things about him that he doesn't like.

Now that would be a perfect case for a lawsuit. I mean, Elon probably will do it anyway, but he will get reined in by the courts. Time for him to learn he's not above the law after all.

How many times does this dude have to lie before people stop taking what he says at face value?

I don't necessarily believe him without evidence. But i'm not going to believe anyone else who doesn't provide evidence either. It'd be great if people would just stop making things up all around.

There’s nothing wrong with asking for evidence, but as we can see from your other comments, there is no way for anyone outside of Twitter to definitively prove what the accounts tweeted before they were banned.

A certain amount of skepticism is healthy, but allowing people to flood the water with BS allows them to get away with lying more often than not (people just throw their hands up and say “who knows!”). Ties go to the liar.

At a certain point you have to pay a repetitional penalty and Elon has spent more than his fair share from that account. If he’s going to claim something I’m not even going to entertain it until he proves proof.

> There’s nothing wrong with asking for evidence, but as we can see from your other comments, there is no way for anyone outside of Twitter to definitively prove what the accounts tweeted before they were banned.

That's not entirely true, if someone had a copy of all of the recent tweets from one of the banned accounts, then it'd be relatively easy to check if any of them violated the new policy in any reasonable sense.

> A certain amount of skepticism is healthy, but allowing people to flood the water with BS allows them to get away with lying more often than not (people just throw their hands up and say “who knows!”). Ties go to the liar.

However, I agree with you completely here. What I disagree with was the original comment I was responding to simply declaring that he had banned them despite them not violating the policy. That statement may end up being true, and maybe that person has evidence for it, but if so they should provide it. And if they don't have evidence for it, they should say something much more like what you've said here.

I think Elon should provide evidence for his claims as well, and I'd make the same criticism of him. If you're going to ban high profile journalists who are critical of you en masse with a new rule you just enacted, you'd better publish receipts along with it, at the very least.

They tweeted snapshots of the accounts that were banned last tweets.

You're asking for evidence that they didn't tweet something? It isn't our job to prove a negative. Just take a look at their tweets and show me the ones where they DID report on the location of the jet. Can't find them? Neither can Elon Musk? That's odd, maybe they never existed after all.

They weren't. From what I understand, some of them merely linked to the already banned @Elonjet account on Twitter. They didn't link to his location by even the loosest interpretation.