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Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by Sithwuth on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:56PM (#34007589)
If you're thinking of trying Mastodon, I would recommend joining an interest-specific or locality-specific server rather than one of the general purpose servers, because the local community is likely to be stronger and more engaged. You can always jump ship later if you find it's not your thing

Some examples:

- https://fosstodon.org for FOSS - https://infosec.exchange for infosec - https://sfba.social for the bay area

There's a map of locality-specific instances here: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/mastodon-near-me_828094

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by defrost on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:26PM (#34007810)
Of possible interest to some:

> Please consider joining @mastodon.acm.org, a community for #computing researchers & practitioners to connect & exchange ideas with each other, whether you are an ACM member or not.

https://mastodon.acm.org/invite/FbXaxAHg

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by minimaxir on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:00PM (#34007615)
https://sigmoid.social/ for AI/machine learning.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by MonkeyMalarky on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:11PM (#34008199)
It was cool seeing https://mathstodon.xyz/ on the HN front page recently.

I really like the idea of different organizations running their own instances. You don't need an overbearing, exhaustive and centralized system of verification for journalists when something like WAPO or NY Times can run an instance for their employees, much like how email works.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by jghn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:00PM (#34007623)
This assumes one cares about the local community aspect of Mastodon. Granted many people do in which case your advice is spot on. But if you're just looking for a pure Twitter replacement, it doesn't matter. In fact you might be better off on one of the big players as they're probably less likely to be fly-by-night.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by lapcat on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:04PM (#34007651)
> In fact you might be better off on one of the big players as they're probably less likely to be fly-by-night.

The biggest advantage of a big instance like mastodon.social is that account discovery and following are much easier when the accounts are on the same instance of you. Otherwise, you have to do a lot of copy and paste into search fields.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by standardUser on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:03PM (#34007641)
It would be nice if new users were simply assigned a big, generic server (like in many MMOs) and then later had the option to seek out and find a niche server. The vast, vast majority of new users wouldn't know or care either way.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by rsynnott on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:33PM (#34007860)
That's more or less what _happens_; people join mastodon.social and then move.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by OctopusLupid on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:34AM (#34052470)
I can confirm this is what I did. I started on mastodon.social, then eventually moved to a smaller instance when I got jealous of their local timeline. Then I'm now hosting my own server in the closet.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by scrollaway on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:43PM (#34007955)
Im very surprised that, among techies, there aren't more people running their own instance as a solo user, so that they can own the entire username including the domain name.

It's what I did for myself (Follow me! @[email protected]), following Simon Willison's post: https://til.simonwillison.net/mastodon/custom-domain-mastodo...

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by isodev on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:37PM (#34008431)
I too self host my instance. I opted to use Pleroma (https://pleroma.social/) for a backend to interact with the fediverse because of the easier setup and lower hosting requirements.

It’s been working for a few years now and (luckily) I never had major incidents.

It’s very refreshing to be in full control of one’s data (compared to the centralised experience with other socials like Twitter and Facebook).

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by scrollaway on Friday December 16, 2022 @07:41PM (#34022779)
I considered Pleroma, but opted to use Mastodon because DO had a ready-made droplet.

I will likely switch to Takahe (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33731739) as soon as it's a little more ready, for the reasons you describe.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by lapcat on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:49PM (#34008014)
"Notice: due to the recent influx of traffic, new subscriptions are closed." https://masto.host/

"hi! there's been a huge wave of new members and new instances recently, and that's a Lot of work. i am tired and especially won't be very available in the next months for health reasons, so i won't be accepting new instances for a while." https://fedi.monster/

"Due to overwhelming demand, registrations are currently closed." https://cloudplane.org/

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by scrollaway on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:02PM (#34008108)
A lot of users on these are opening up public instances, rather than their own. I don't see a huge amount of "host mastodon for yourself on your own domain" people.

I went this route (via https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon - I would have used masto.host otherwise). Im keeping an eye on Takahe (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33731739) as hosting mastodon is kind of expensive, for the type of use I make of it.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by aendruk on Friday December 16, 2022 @12:39AM (#34010870)
Speaking from three years’ experience, Mastodon just isn’t designed with this use in mind. Having the custom domain is neat but for now comes at the cost of an awkward and isolated experience.

For ownership of identity keep an eye on this issue:

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by kornhole on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:30AM (#34015650)
One's own or a small instance with a few friends is suitable for people who are high profile who post challenging content. People will follow them from anywhere and visibility will be gained that way. Some high profile people do not want to be subject to the whims of moderators. Examples include every politician and many journalists. If you are not a high profile publisher, you will likely experience a bit of isolation with your own instance.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by j1elo on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:07PM (#34008165)
Last time I looked into Mastodon (a couple years ago), I found a small, specific community that piqued my interest. Months later, the owner of the instance lost interest and closed it. In the end I never registered, but, what would have happened if I did and started to use it in my day to day? Would I wake up one day to find out that I no longer have a Mastodon account?

I feel the response might be something akin to "what would happen if you have a fastmail account and then fastmail closes?". If that's the case, I see absolutely no reason to choose a small instance, just for the sake of reliability and trust in its continued operation.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by DeLopSpot on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:41PM (#34008468)
This is an issue addressed by the Mastodon Server Covenant: https://joinmastodon.org/covenant

The Covenant includes a commitment from server admins to give users at least 3 months of advance warning in case of shutting down

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by hoppoy on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:01PM (#34009958)
That's an agreement with no teeth, they can just shut it down without warning, and then what do you do.
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by DeLopSpot on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:15PM (#34010103)
If this is very important to you, then you should find a server admin that you trust, such as a friend or a fellow industry professional.

You can also use a paid instance like https://cloudisland.nz/ or set up your own using a hosted service like masto.host

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by scrollaway on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:16PM (#34008239)
I agree with you. Mastodon does make it easier to migrate between users. ActivityPub (or is it Mastodon-specific?) has something built in to broadcast account migration announcements, supports account aliases, carry followers over, etc.

It's better than email in that regard.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by davidgerard on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:00PM (#34020303)
Any techie on HN could run a one-person instance. Mastodon itself is fat, but Pleroma/Akkoma and Misskey are smaller, for instance. I know someone who's writing software for a one-person server in Rust that is intended to deploy as a single binary file.

The problem you describe is real, though, and it's the least friendly thing about Mastodon for new users.

I'd pick a large instance to start with, and move at your leisure.

I'm camped out on a friend's server right now, he said it was strictly for amusement but he's having a whale of a time being a Mastodon admin. When he says he'll definitely give us 2mo notice if he gets sick of it, I know I can trust him on that. That sort of thing.

Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by aquajet on Sunday December 18, 2022 @11:34PM (#34048530)
is the Rust dude on github? I'd like to help
Re:Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon by kornhole on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:22AM (#34015540)
Fosstodon was just banned from Twitter too, but that should not stop you from joining it. It looks like Twitter will be playing a game of whack a mole as we launch more instances.