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Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:47PM (#34004646)
This paper doesn't claim that mRNA vaccines are dangerous, it investigates through autopsy 35 people in a region of Germany who died within 20 days of vaccination and only 5 of the deaths are found to show myocarditis of which only 3 somewhat might be attributed to the vaccine.

This is not an expose of big Pharma or anything like that, I don't know why the HN comments are acting as if this is some kind of research supporting the anti vaxxer claims.

If you look into the statistics, it actually might be the case that those 35 deaths were attributed to the vaccine. They found for fact that 10 of those died actually died of something else.

This is also why it takes an expert in a field to evaluate the content and make conclusions. Despite the tone in the HN comments, this actually might suggest that the deaths attributed to the vaccine side effect might be significantly higher than the reality but it would take a research to say of this is the case.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by nulld3v on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:02PM (#34004872)
Yeah, I also currently believe that the statistics work out in favor of the vaccine. I am curious though, on how those 3 people died.

My biggest concern is in long-term effects. I understand that it is difficult to study them but that is why I am advocating for continued research.

So basically:

- I understand that in a pandemic situation, you can't wait for research into long-term effects to come out.

- Hence, in a pandemic situation, immediate vaccination should still be recommended.

- Research into long-term effects should continue after the pandemic.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:04PM (#34004899)
Is there anything make you believe that the research doesn't continue?
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by nulld3v on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:26PM (#34005219)
I am worried how the discussion around the vaccine has turned political and how there are a lot of strong opinions around it. I worry it might affect funding and also "politically taint" people who publish research about it.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:31PM (#34005286)
Fair enough but this doesn't mean that the research is finished, just the reporting on it is getting harder. People who actually work with these things instead of pushing their agenda are not really influenced by the politics because what they find is not political. They will not find out that bug Pharma was lying, they will find out how many people actually had myocarditis under what conditions for example.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by jgalt212 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:11PM (#34004994)
Fair enough, but everyone was compelled to get the vaccine (regardless of age or risk factors). Given that, the vaccine makers and proponents leave themselves open to such criticisms that would not be valid if the vaccine was not compelled on my 7 year old.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by ceejayoz on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:17PM (#34005080)
Where do you live that COVID vaccination is compulsory for a seven year old?

In the US, the 5-11 age range has only 38% having had even the first dose. https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19...

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:13PM (#34005014)
If everyone was compelled how the vaccination rates are so low?
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bena on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:58PM (#34004804)
Tell that to this guy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34004500

He is acting like it's support of anti-vaxxer claims. And it is why these articles get shared. Because they contain a very slight, practically negligible affirmation of the smallest portion of their claims. And that, in their eyes, is enough to proclaim victory.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:09PM (#34004955)
If I'm going to read anti vaxxer content I need to be paid, I'm so done finding misrepresentations and statistical hackery in propaganda articles. They cherry pick data, resort in fallacies and all kinds of trickery. They give you a shocking graph where you can see that young people are dying en masse only to find out that this graph is achieved through visual or statistical BS. Hours spend to dig out lies, completely avoidable by avoiding that content.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bena on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:33PM (#34005300)
I'm a little confused here. I'm not trying to convince you of the anti-vaxxer side.

You said:

> "I don't know why the HN comments are acting as if this is some kind of research supporting the anti vaxxer claims."

To which I posted a link of a guy who is acting as if this is some kind of research supporting the anti-vaxxer claims. The comments were trying to head off the exact thing that happened. Because those users know the pattern. They know why this was posted. It was posted specifically as "vindication" for anti-vaxxers. Those comments to point out that this study does not in any way vindicate anti-vaxxers are needed and the people who made them were right to make those comments.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mrtksn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:35PM (#34005340)
Oh I wasn't directing my comments to you. My apologies, I just tried to express my reluctance of looking at anti-vaxxer content.

Even if this linked OP is just acting, I still find it very repulsive due to my previous experience. I wasn't referring to that comment anyway.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bena on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:35PM (#34006108)
All good then, I just didn't want you to think I was advocating for the anti-vaxxer position. So if that wasn't your intention, apologies to you as well.

And I understand your reluctance. After the nth time, the eyes sort of glaze over as you get slapped with the same bad faith arguments supported by bad logic and supported by abused statistics.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by emmelaich on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:53PM (#34006337)
You're inferring a lot from a someone's brief summary of the paper under discussion.

If you disagree with the summary, maybe address it?

I despise anti-vaxxer lunatics, I still found that comment interesting.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by bena on Friday December 16, 2022 @08:51AM (#34014437)
It's not one comment. The guy has a string of them across multiple threads.

And you are going to critique me for "inferring a lot" while ignoring his comment is not only sprinkled with evidence he's a conclusion looking for justification ("lethal jab-associated myocarditis"), but is nothing but inference itself.

It's not interesting, it's just old.