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Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by whalesalad on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:23AM (#33954874)
KDE and XFCE are my favorites. I could probably daily drive XFCE but with higher resolution (4K) monitors, KDE tends to look a lot better, at least in my experience. I loathe Gnome and don't really understand why it has become the default DE on so many platforms.

Desktop linux is not being held back by system usage. If anything, we need to stop caring about that for a while and focus on quality of life / ergonomics. A unified clipboard (kb shortcuts as well as shared buffer), proper 4k rendering/scaling at a nuclear level, etc. This is my biggest gripe with Linux.

I would ditch macOS entirely if I could do the following: 1. complete keyboard remapping such that macos keybindings work everywhere (there are hacks for this, but they are hacks), 2. proper 4k rendering (no blurry stuff) with consistent titlebars and ui elements across all applications, 3. the ability to copy and paste text into or out of a terminal without fuss.

I don't care about X11 vs Wayland.

All this considered - and I can't believe I am about to say this - Windows 11 is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be and I kinda like it. Might need to go see a doctor I am starting to say funny things.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by ryukafalz on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:59AM (#33955307)
> 2. proper 4k rendering (no blurry stuff)

> I don't care about X11 vs Wayland.

It sounds like you might care though, albeit not directly. That blurriness is often the result of attempting to use fractional scaling (i.e. not an integer multiple like 200%, 300%, etc). This is common on 4k displays as many are too small for 100% scaling to be readable but too big for 200%. You can do fractional scaling on X11 but Wayland typically does it better, and without the blurriness.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by jjice on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:15PM (#33958864)
This is the entire reason I use Wayland on my personal machine (Ubuntu 22 with Gnome). The X11 fractional scaling is fine, but a bit blurry. Wayland makes it look crisp, like it should.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by dspillett on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:30AM (#33956618)
> This is common on 4k displays as many are too small for 100% scaling to be readable but too big for 200%.

This is why I went for 32" 2560x1440 when I got a larger monitor. Very similar pixel pitch to the 24" 1920x1080 units that I had before (one of which stands beside it in portrait, so 1080x1920). I didn't need more smoothness, just wanted more on screen without needing to make things smaller.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by taeric on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:15AM (#33956347)
I'm in PopOS and have 150% scale on one monitor, with 100% on the other. Not seeing anything blurry, and pretty sure I'm on X11. Is that an older problem?

And I think the point was more that many of us don't care how it is fixed. If that takes a new application, so be it. If it can be done on the older one, also so be it.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by hollerith on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:20PM (#33957352)
>pretty sure I'm on X11

Please post the output of `printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE`.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by taeric on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:54PM (#33957788)
x11
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by gastlygem on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:59PM (#33963086)
X11 has been doing fine in the past few years. I have both my home and office computer running it with dual 4k displays and all appear to be swell.

I use Cinnamon as desktop because it happens to be the easiest to configure for 150% scaling. I think I've tried xfce and some others but ended up with mixed results.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by hedora on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:45PM (#33958482)
You could also turn off fractional scaling under X11. That's been my preference for 20 years (yes, HiDPI displays have been around that long...)
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by j1elo on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:27AM (#33955640)
Can the mouse scroll speed be configured in KDE, nowadays?

I'm flabbergasted that this is a question that should even be asked. Linux Desktop is so advanced and at the same time so lacking in stupidly simple matters such as this one, but here we are, look at how complex the answer marked as solution looks here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/285689/increase-mouse-wheel-...

(hint: the reasonable expectation, IMHO, would be to "open System Settings, go to Mouse Settings, and change a slider")

I've been in love with Linux Mint's Cinnamon and the very good balance between functionality and out-of-the-box experience. But no, the system settings don't allow to change the scroll speed. I won't complain, but it does confuse me...

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by li2uR3ce on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:15PM (#33957270)
> Can the mouse scroll speed be configured in KDE, nowadays?

Unfortunately KDE has gone full stupid in this regard. From the numerous bug reports, I think they decided that you can't please everyone so they should please nobody. Scroll speed is not deterministic to humans, who are not calculators. The intuitive thing is to scroll a consistent a amount per wheel tick. They used to do this but now it's a percentage of the content so sometimes it scrolls 14 lines and sometimes it scrolls 8.

I guess the behavior is different in Wayland because "x11 is dead" therefore only breaking changes make it into the x11 version. Some day they'll make the x11 version suck as bad as Wayland and then people will make the right choice. /s I'd be a bit less salty if I wasn't being asked to chose between two different sets of broken. I need LibreOffice to work so I'm using x11.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by bobbob1921 on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:59PM (#33957840)
> I think they decided that you can't please everyone so they should please nobody

This line made me laugh! Unfortunately I do agree that that seems to be the case here also.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by Arrath on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:03PM (#33958718)
> They used to do this but now it's a percentage of the content so sometimes it scrolls 14 lines and sometimes it scrolls 8.

What in the hell..

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by philsnow on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:26PM (#33963896)
... yeah, what? If the content is really, really long, is it possible to scroll the mouse wheel one click and have it skip part of the content because "1%" (or whatever increment it is) is longer than what fits on the screen?
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by cedilla on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:26PM (#33957429)
What are the problems with Wayland and libreoffice?
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by li2uR3ce on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:04PM (#33957897)
Clicking a button from the tool bar that shows a popup of some type (e.g. color chooser) doesn't display the popup. I'm not asking for an exotic behavior. No it's not NVIDIA's fault because I have no such hardware.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by buovjaga on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:14PM (#33958029)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144585

Fixed versions from bug's whiteboard field: target:7.2.2 target:7.4.0 target:7.3.3

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by pxc on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:07PM (#33957939)
> Can the mouse scroll speed be configured in KDE, nowadays?

> (hint: the reasonable expectation, IMHO, would be to "open System Settings, go to Mouse Settings, and change a slider")

Yes. This is more or less what KDE does everywhere the upstream software stack supports it, and probably also what it already did the last time you tried it. This comes down to your distro's display server configuration.

On Xorg, mouse scroll speed is up to your X11 input driver, not your desktop environment. If the X11 input driver you're using for your mouse supports setting the scroll speed, that setting shows up in System Settings in your Plasma session. Libinput doesn't support this feature, so if you're on Xorg and you want it, don't use libinput as your mouse driver.

Under Wayland (which also uses libinput), the compositor mediates all input and so the KDE folks have worked around the issue and implemented the feature themselves.

See the upstream issue in libinput here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/-/issues/74...

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by adrian_b on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:09AM (#33956248)
At least in XFCE, that "reasonable expectation" has been fulfilled for as long as I can remember.

In KDE, I have no idea, because the last KDE that I have used was 3.5, which was the best desktop environment that I have ever used, including in comparison any Windows or MacOS version (while KDE 4.0 was the worst).

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by pxc on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:32PM (#33959859)
You should give Plasma a try some time! It's mature and feature-rich again, like KDE was in the 3.5 days.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by qu4z-2 on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:29PM (#33963381)
(not the GP)

I tried it again last year some time and it was neither as configurable nor as stable as 3.5. Granted, maybe it's just rose-coloured glasses, but Trinity DE still seems to provide a better experience for me to this day.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by Schlaefer on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:50AM (#33955955)
> Can the mouse scroll speed be configured in KDE, nowadays?

If you use Wayland the answer is Yes. There's a "Scrolling speed" configuration in the Mouse settings.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by unethical_ban on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:12AM (#33955444)
Battery life and a more pleasant trackpad experience.

I know it's hard to tune a good trackpad profile with such varying hardware, but it sure.would be nice to get a MacBook like smoothness on a Linux DE.

And battery life ... Holy hell, Mac is so great and Windows is shitting the bed with their smart suspend.

I'm okay with fedora on my laptop, and I must say I've gotten used to Gnome. There is a tweak tool for gnome that allows for adjusting some things I think should be tweakable and discoverable by default.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by deckard1 on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:34PM (#33958332)
After getting a ThinkPad, I went out on a quest to get trackpad kinetic scrolling working and I came to the conclusion that it will always suck on Linux. Some apps feature it (Firefox, certain Gtk apps). But the problem is that libinput does not implement it (for good reasons, AFAIK) which means it's left up to the GUI libraries to implement. Each. And. Every. Time. If you have a Qt app running next to a Gtk app, good luck. And this is, yet again, why Apple wins in UX. Their kinetic scrolling is implemented across the entire desktop. As it should be. You can't get a consistent feel when you let individual apps implement it with wildly different parameters.

> And battery life ... Holy hell, Mac is so great and Windows is shitting the bed with their smart suspend.

On Linux you can get close to what Mac does. I believe what the Macbook does is it has a hybrid hibernate/suspend. Suspend, for me, only lasts 2-4 hours and then my battery dies. I think there is another suspend setting that improves this, but there is actually a hybrid suspend that will hibernate after X hours of suspend. My laptop can be closed for a week or more and still have battery.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by unethical_ban on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:26PM (#33958998)
I'm don't see why the ability to have improved kinetics for trackpad can't be at the driver level, tweakable or override-able by the GUI.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by flakeoil on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:45AM (#33955896)
Yes, the issue with Linux is not Linux. It's the hardware. Mainly the processor. I'm amazed that Qualcomm, Broadcom or someone else cannot release a decent ARM based processor that can compete with the M1 in terms of performance and power consumption. I really hope there will come something in 2023.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by paddim8 on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:12PM (#33963223)
You can run Linux on M1 machines though
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by whalesalad on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:18AM (#33955510)
True. Apple cannot be touched when it comes to laptops. My M2 Air is a marvelous machine. I do most of my dev via remote/ssh now and so the battery life on this machine is almost measured in days now. In Geekbench 5 it outperforms my new core i7-12700k on single core performance.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by BrotherBisquick on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:16PM (#33957299)
> I don't care about X11 vs Wayland.

Have you tried Wayland?

Look, I'm not an evangelist, but it solves so many annoying little problems with X11 that I never want to go back. You don't realize how much of a hacked-together, obsolete kludge that X11 is until you use an alternative.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by whalesalad on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:42PM (#33958443)
The problem for me is that I do not entirely know what Wayland is solving for me. I am looking at it from the pragmatic viewpoint. I will use whatever technology is superior, but for the last few years Wayland has not been a 100% drop-in replacement and certain applications don't work. Heck, for the longest time Wayland would straight up not run on modern nVidia hardware.

I have tried it, in fact I just rolled out Fedora 37 w/ KDE Plasma on Wayland to my new i7 box ... but I have only used it for a few hours as it is more of a toy project than a daily dev machine.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by dTal on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:01PM (#33959418)
Well, here's one unexpected benefit I discovered - vastly lower CPU use when playing videos. I don't know enough about display architecture to understand why, but on one of my more underpowered machines it makes the difference between being able to use streaming services, and not being able to.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by nyanpasu64 on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:11PM (#33961167)
Perhaps you can enable hardware video decoding on Firefox X11, by visiting about:config and setting media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled = true (unsure about media.ffmpeg.dmabuf-textures.enabled = true).
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by therealmarv on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:11PM (#33958816)
> complete keyboard remapping such that macos keybindings work everywhere

I also use a customized layout (mostly international English with shortcuts for German Umlauts and Y and Z remapped to eachother). It definitely works in most modern Linux desktops to use a "custom keyboard layout" like described here. There are many guides which are outdated on the topic. It's a hack and also not super simple to execute (you only need to do it once) but it is persistent and system-wide in all programs at least:

https://askubuntu.com/a/483026/28810

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by nmlt on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:57PM (#33959362)
What he probably meant is that Command+C is copy, etc.

You can’t easily do that because every Linux program expects different things. The hack to make it work is to switch keyboard configs when you switch the application, I think. It’s far from ideal.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by csumtin on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:08PM (#33960305)
Just posting here too, I've plugged into evdev to remap keys so the keybindings work on all apps and in gnome Wayland. https://github.com/csumtin/cua
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by Ruq on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:22AM (#33956474)
I'm using GNOME 43 right now on Wayland, and it is quite comfy. But this is mainly due to me heavily using extensions and tweaks to better the experience.

I agree that vanilla GNOME just isn't good enough. But especially for Wayland, GNOME is far superior to KDE in terms of stability and glitch-freeness.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by graymatters on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:15AM (#33966443)
Yes, Windows 11 is surprisingly good. It’s the new Windows 7, which was the new Windows XP, which was the new Windows 98.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by deafpolygon on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:20PM (#33975150)
Except for that sweet, sweet telemetry.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by jonnycomputer on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:59AM (#33955309)
>A unified clipboard

Yes, please.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by scythe on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:56AM (#33957017)
I think the irony is that Linux could easily achieve this by simply copying the OS X use of Meta (Cmd/"Windows") key for the copy/paste instead of DEs stubbornly trying to ape the Windowsy Ctrl-key combination paradigm, which conflicts with the use of Ctrl by terminal applications. The time is long past when keyboards would ship without a Meta key. Another user mentioned Ctrl-Shift, but pressing three keys requires too much dexterity for a simple operation like copy (and you might accidentally Ctrl-C your script!).
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by ColonelPhantom on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @09:11AM (#33969068)
I thought Meta is usually Alt? Or am I confusing it with Mod?

AFAIK Haiku has things like copy on Alt. So you'd have to press Alt+C to copy.

Personally, I would prefer to keep the "Windows"/Super key free for OS-wide shortcuts, e.g. tap=search, hold=drag window with mouse, Super+enter=terminal, Super+h=minimize (as in GNOME), Super+w = overview (as in KDE), etc. Using Alt for that and Super for commands would also work, but is somewhat counterintuitive to me as Super has the logo of an OS on it. On the other hand it is the same key order as used by macOS.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by LAC-Tech on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:17PM (#33958899)
That's actually a really good idea. Although given everything in linux works with ctrl-c except terminal emulators, that's probably where the change needs to happen, ie using meta there.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by paddim8 on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:09PM (#33963206)
Ctrl+C feels way more ergonomic than Meta+C to me though. Fingers don't need to bend as much. That matters with very common operations like copying
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by dynamic_sausage on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:38PM (#33958387)
> complete keyboard remapping such that macos keybindings work everywhere

I have some weird preferences in keybindings (alt-space=backspace etc), and Xkb could very easily handle everything I threw at it. If you are using X11, you should be able to get your preferred keybindings:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X_keyboard_extension

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by dynamic_sausage on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:02PM (#33957869)
> complete keyboard remapping such that macos keybindings work everywhere

I have some weird preferences in keybindings (alt-space=backspace etc), and Xkb could very easily handle everything I threw at it. If you are using X11, you should be able to get what you want, too:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X_keyboard_extension

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by csumtin on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:06PM (#33960271)
In regards to point 1 about keybindings, I've used evdev to get something similar to Mac(my alt is CMD).

https://github.com/csumtin/cua

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by yoyohello13 on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:47AM (#33956863)
For 3, Ctrl+Shift+C/V seems to work fine for me in pretty much every environment.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by whalesalad on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:02PM (#33957101)
For such a frequently utilized key combo, three keys is too many. On macOS cmd-c and cmd-v work everywhere, too. Windows it is ctrl-c and ctrl-v. Linux it is... dependent on what application you are using and wildly frustrating. Sure, you can remap keys, but then you need to start to really be concerned with config management, backing that up, etc. Getting 'up and running' from 0-hero on macOS takes a few minutes for me, but with Linux it's a couple of days of tweaking at this point.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by capableweb on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:15PM (#33957284)
> Linux it is... dependent on what application you are using and wildly frustrating

What other application uses something else than CTRL+C for copying on Linux? Been using various Linux flavors for decades and the only application that requires a different shortcut than CTRL+C is terminals, as they already use CTRL+C for something else.

Otherwise I can't think of a single application using something else than CTRL+C.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by whalesalad on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:39PM (#33958410)
I am spoiled on macos, where cmd is the primary modifier key. So cmd-c and cmd-v are for copy/paste, and ctrl-c still continues to work in a terminal. I understand the need for ctrl-shift-c in a linux term, where ctrl-c needs to remain for signaling processes. I just wish I could globally remap this. Some of the hacks exist for this (https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto) but it's a leaky abstraction and not fool proof.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by pxc on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:48PM (#33957705)
Besides CTRL+SHIFT+C/CTRL+SHIFT+V to copy/paste in terminals, there are some other alternative mappings for common functions that I like to use sometimes and which work pretty widely:

  - copy: Ctrl+Insert
  - paste: Shift+Insert
  - next tab: Ctrl+PgDn
  - previous tab: Ctrl+PgUp
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by somat on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:45PM (#33978495)
Does no one use the X11 select/single button paste? Hell I like it so much I get irritated when I go back to windows and have to use (fake exasperated tone) four extra keystrokes to copy and paste. But jokes aside it is annoying as hell to use windows copy/paste after the sublime X11 experience. this is mainly because it takes 2 or three aborted paste efforts before I get it right.

Why did it not paste?? I know I selected it, go back and select.. still nothing, ahh yes I am on windows go back ctrl+c exasperated sigh, back again, ctrl+v exasperated sigh.

X11 has it's problems but primary select/middle button paste is one thing it got right. some others are point to focus, don't raise on click, tiling window managers and the compose key.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by goosedragons on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:44PM (#33958474)
One class of programs. Terminal emulators. That's it (well and like Emacs but that's true on Mac too...). And a lot of them let you change it to C-c,C-v if you want too. You should change the interrupt behavior too but you can.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by sigzero on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:07AM (#33955393)
I liked Gnome 2 and I like that I can use Cinnamon if I choose Gnome still. I just don't like that current version 3 of Gnome.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by ColonelPhantom on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @09:12AM (#33969083)
GNOME 3 isn't the current version anymore. GNOME 3.40 got released as GNOME 40 instead, which was succeeded by 41, 42 and now 43.

Personally I understand the criticism of GNOME 3, but I liked it a lot more than the GNOME 40 series. I've switched to KDE Plasma around this summer, I think from GNOME 42.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by jacob019 on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:24AM (#33955586)
Which is why Mate exists.
Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by rektide on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:56PM (#33957805)
If you want completely monolithic & uniform experience built for your specific needs that no one else has on Linux but you, I don't think you'll be happy, ever.

> consistent titlebars and ui elements across all applications

You can get fairly close to this if you use gnome or kde specific distros.

But you're generally asking: please don't be open source. Please don't have a bazaar of ideas. Please build me one big cathedral. You ask here is antithetical to the purpose of whom you are asking. On most general purpose distributions, users probably ought to end up having multiple different UI elements.

> complete keyboard remapping such that macos keybindings work everywhere

I actually like this idea a lot, because it suggests a certain system-wide malleability layer that, at the moment, doesn't exist. Anywhere, on any system, at all. How would you go about making your Mac have consistent Windows keybindings, for example? I'd be interested to see how people thought we might tackle this, generally.

Folks could make a custom Linux distro that pre-configures each app to be Mac like. I think that's the best chance. But jeeze it seems like an unholy crusade to support a very specific niche, a niche not known for participating & giving back & relishing what we are & do. Awfully big bridge to build & it will forever have some rickety-ness to it.

You could use something like https://gitlab.com/interception/linux/tools to read certain Mac key-combos or what not and rewrite them. But what would you rewrite to? I don't have a good sheet of what it is you'd be asking for or wanting to just work.

My spitball idea for how we'd really fix this: I'd like each app to register with a dbus service all of the "actions"/commands it can do, and allow rebinding & activation of the actions over dbus. Maybe even actions actually are just dbus methods, but annotated somehow, to describe their hotkeys or to give them human friendly names? Anyhow, whatever the impl, there could be a central "hotkey manager" that could see all keyboard bindings & let us top-down manage them. There'd need to be some way for "Save" in Kate to be combined/grouped together with "Save" in Firefox, somehow, for this to be helpful. Managing this namespace of actions would be a terror of a problem, utterly absurd, in my view, which implies strongly the difficulty of the ask here I'm trying to respond to, but I actually think it'd be a pretty noble & cool effort. In part because of what it relates to:

System command apps. Tools like dmenu/alfred/albert/quicksilver are meant as general top down interfaces, are often scriptable/extensible/deeply configurable to allow fast access & control of a variety of actions. By recognizing keybindings as what they are: actions/commands, and suggesting that the "actions"/commands of an app get bubbled up to the system layer & get managed there, we just make these top-commanders more powerful. There's also an extreme parallel here to voice-agent systems, like Chrome Assistant, Alexa, Siri, where apps present actions & the system is in charge of taking user input and translating it into actuation; they too are directory systems of actions, rather than having each app in isolation.

> ability to copy and paste into or out of a terminal without fuss

Copy/paste just works for me? Not sure what the problem statement is here, and/or what terminals you've suffered under.

> Desktop linux is not being held back by system usage. If anything, we need to stop caring about that for a while and focus on quality of life / ergonomics.

100%. My main personal laptop is 4GB. I run sway which is low resource consumption, but in general resource consumption seems like a huge non-factor to me. In general, Linux isn't going to win by being more conservative. Pining about resource consumption is self-rewarding, self-gratifying: one feels zealous & virtuous, like you have the true cause amid a fallen world & are the path of the defender. But IMO it's mostly detracting & abusing the good & necessary & vital suffusion of creativity & possibility into the world. The scope of consumption is not that bad. And we have the important task of figuring out where to go still ahead of us: I'd rather be conservative once we have better ideas of what works, at any resource budget, & hone back down from there. Rather than forever dance around this maxima/minima we're on & tune for what we have.

I'm also unimpressed with this article in general. Showing the amount of memory mapped in seems incredibly uninteresting & indicative of nothing. Amount of data read has some correlation with start time but loosely: if Gnome is reading 1GB sequential (it's not but for example) while KDE is 512b reads randomly (it's not) but half the size, you'd probably still want to pick Gnome.

Re:Linux Desktop Environments System Usage by FpUser on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:39AM (#33955061)
>" quality of life / ergonomics."

Then just replicate Win98 desktop. good ergonomics has nothing to do with high resource usage.