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Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by MagicMoonlight on Sunday December 11, 2022 @01:48PM (#33946102)
I left Windows for Mint about 2 months ago and it's just so much better. All that stupid bullshit you have to deal with on windows just went away, I felt actual relief. No more ads, no more forced updates because you walked away from your computer, no processes that it forces you to run so that it can spy on your mics. It just works. If you want it to look like windows 7 you can, if you want it to look like an iPad you can. I've made mine into a weird hybrid of windows 7 and OSX which I love. My start button actually shows my programs instead of loading bing and showing me 100MB of pictures of nigerian football players.

The only thing that was stopping me before was games, but games all work on linux now. Other than one or two that require specific anti-cheats that use 0days to hijack windows, there's basically nothing that doesn't run on linux now. In fact, a lot of my games actually work better because proton dynamically patches out bugs from the original windows implementations.

I don't think I've found any software or anything that I use that hasn't got a linux version. Windows is dead to me, I haven't used it since.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by garbanz0 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:25PM (#33946538)
My experience leaving Windows was like yours... until I did a software upgrade or had to replace my graphics card, etc. Hours of fighting the command line, glitchy graphical bugs. For me, the desire to cultivate my linux computer like a garden ended up being a distraction from using my computer like the tool it is. Just my 2cents.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by tuxinator on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:37PM (#33946664)
When was the last time you tried Linux? I just replaced my entire computer (CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc) and my Debian (bookworm) installation booted with zero issues. No need to reinstall anything.

I certainly remember fighting with xorg.conf settings, graphics drivers, and kernel modules in the past. I haven't had to deal with troubles like that in nearly 10 years though.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:52PM (#33946808)
> When was the last time you tried Linux?

Ugh. Like, literally every time someone talks about having problems with Linux this exact same sentence is said in response.

I'm pretty much always trying Linux these days on various devices and I still constantly run into issues. Constantly. It's great that you have zero issues, but please consider that a lot of us aren't so fortunate.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by alexjplant on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:57PM (#33947405)
Because 20 years ago using Linux meant that I had to deal with configuring ALSA, NDISWrapper, GRUB, CUPS, etc. whereas last night it took me less than 15 minutes to install Mint on a late-model ultrabook and have everything working perfectly. It's a real phenomenon.

Some vendors are better than others at Linux support. I would suggest sticking to Lenovo or Dell if you'd like a smooth experience.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by josephg on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:36PM (#33948873)
I think its just a bit of a crapshoot with hardware. I'm running Mint right now and I love it, but hardware support isn't perfect:

- My AMD zen4 CPU still isn't fully supported by Mint's shipping kernel (5.15.0-56). It works today (including sleep states). But it took a month or two to get a kernel which supported sleep states correctly. And I still can't see CPU or motherboard temperatures.

- My keyboard and mouse don't work over bluetooth. I think its the vendors' fault, but I bet they'd both work fine work on macos or windows.

- My speakers randomly get all garbled and weird sometimes. I've figured out running `sudo killall pulseaudio` fixes it (until next time).

- I like using Apple's "magic touchpad". But the driver is nowhere near as good as Apple's. Sensitivity is all wrong in linux. It registers accidental light touches as clicks sometimes, and it just feels janky. And application support for smooth scrolling is all over the place - some apps support it perfectly and others (Firefox, IntelliJ) interpret any tiny single pixel scroll on the touchpad as a multi-line scroll. I've reverted to using a traditional mouse.

That said, some things have been a delight. My old AMD 480 graphics card worked perfectly out of the box, with no configuration required. When I upgraded out my motherboard and CPU a few months ago, the computer booted just fine with no reconfiguration or anything. It just took it all in stride. (I've still never seen windows handle that so well.)

I'm not surprised some people have no problems with desktop linux. But YMMV.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by bsder on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:41PM (#33950601)
> I'm pretty much always trying Linux these days on various devices and I still constantly run into issues. Constantly. It's great that you have zero issues, but please consider that a lot of us aren't so fortunate.

While I find this true on Linux, I find it more true on Windows and OS X nowadays.

The difference is that with Linux, there is probably a workaround. If I have an issue with Windows or OS X (nee macOS) and it's not affecting a million people, I'm simply screwed.

That's what drove me off of Windows and OS X.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by DoingIsLearning on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:15PM (#33946990)
There is a lot of Linux distros out there too.

Trying Debian Stable versus a bleeding edge Arch Linux will likely give wildly varying degrees and complexity of 'issues'.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by burnished on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:15PM (#33946994)
What would you want them to do differently? They believe things have improved over time and want to share that information. I think it’s helpful but you seem to think it’s tiring or that they just shouldn’t?
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by lmm on Sunday December 11, 2022 @07:08PM (#33949103)
If they think there has been a step change improvement in the linux experience then they should make that a falsifiable claim by specifying when it happened themselves.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by garbanz0 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:01PM (#33947452)
I was using plain Ubuntu around 2020. Upgraded from an ancient GeForce to a pretty standard AMD graphics card and it totally wrecked my installation. While debugging in the command line, my screen was constantly flickering. Headache inducing. Then while trying to reinstall Ubuntu, I accidentally messed up my windows installation. It took a weekend to get everything back to normal, and it just wasn't worth it at all.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by doodlesdev on Sunday December 11, 2022 @06:15PM (#33948698)
Wow that's really unfortunate. Recently with Fedora experienced the complete opposite with the same change, didn't even need to install drivers (or even remove the old ones), just worked out of the box. Long time I haven't used Ubuntu though. Biggest problem for me was the fact that the kernel was oftentimes too outdated (for my cutting edge needs), maybe that's why Fedora worked so well (Linux 6 already).
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by mixmastamyk on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:56AM (#33951748)
A live usb can have you back up and running in perhaps 30 mins. Haven’t had to suffer a broken install since live cds invented at the turn of the century.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by beebeepka on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:07PM (#33946921)
Can't speak for the other guy but the latest Ubuntu update absolutely wrecked my desktop. No network, no graphics. It blew my mind because I haven't experienced anything like this in more than a decade.

This experience pushed me straight into rolling release territory but I'd imagine most people would go to MS immediately, or even Apple if PC gaming is not something they do

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by jtxt on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:56PM (#33950675)
Not all distros are created equal. Not sure what the best is in this regard but Pop!_OS seems to handle video card drivers well. It has worked well for me.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:09PM (#33946350)
Me too my friend, I find mint a decent general desktop OS and I rarely touch windows for personal use. Still struggling with iTunes though.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by MagicMoonlight on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:40AM (#33953584)
What do you use iTunes for?

You can transfer photos etc out of IOS on mint. For music and videos you can download VLC on IOS and then it has a magic feature where it opens a localhost website which you can visit on your PC and transfer everything across over Wifi.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by thebiss on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:47PM (#33946765)
Can you use music.apple.com under chrome on mint?
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:40PM (#33947246)
Pretty much the only use case I have for itunes is to sideload music to my iphone, so I go into my windows partition a couple times a month to do it.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by djcannabiz on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:11PM (#33949631)
I had a similar problem, I just switched to foobar2k https://apps.apple.com/us/app/foobar2000/id1072807669 on my iphone. There are some... interesting UI design choices, but no itunes required. Decoupled https://decoupled.app/ is also nice.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:19AM (#33953464)
LOL, Decoupled had me in the first paragraph of that about page!

I don't know why I never thought to try third party for music stuff, I will definitely check these out, thank you.

My music library is about 32GB now, hope those can deal with that.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by wombatpm on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:28PM (#33946568)
Everyone struggles with iTunes. And every update makes it worse. I’ve used it on Mac and Windows and both suck
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by JadeNB on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:30PM (#33947759)
> Everyone struggles with iTunes. And every update makes it worse. I’ve used it on Mac and Windows and both suck

It's technically no longer even there on macOS, thank God. It was becoming a sort of kitchen-sink dumping place, and I am glad that I can now manage my iPad through Finder (though I still wish I could just treat it like any other bulk-storage device, as I can on Windows, at least it's there). There are apps called "Music.app" and "TV.app", if I want to access my music and videos the Apple way, but I can and do just ignore them if I don't want to use them.

There are probably a multitude of other features that were in the old iTunes app that I never even noticed or have forgotten, but I think that a lot of users who used to be forced into using iTunes on macOS now can avoid both it and its replacements.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:22AM (#33953476)
What are you using for a music replacement app? My library is 32GB now and I don't think I'm using any of the other itunes features these days, just using it as the path to sideload MP3s.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by JadeNB on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:13AM (#33955450)
> What are you using for a music replacement app? My library is 32GB now and I don't think I'm using any of the other itunes features these days, just using it as the path to sideload MP3s.

After fighting a long time to own my music, I have to admit I got tired of maintaining a library, and mostly listen on Spotify these days. But I never liked the library-based model anyway, and so (when still dipping into my own library, and especially when watching movies) prefer an app like VLC that accepts that I might occasionally just want to play a media file without making a library. (Same thing with Books: for some reason, Apple can accept that I might just occasionally want casually to open a PDF in Preview, but finds it impossible to believe I might want to do the same thing with an ePub. I still haven't found a good non-library-based ePub app for macOS; I wind up just using the one that comes with calibre.)

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:08PM (#33957182)
epub; BookFusion. No mac app but the web reader might work for you. Sync reading position and notes between devices. I just read a lot of books and it works great for that. It even has a cablbre plugin used to upload books to it.

https://www.bookfusion.com

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by JadeNB on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:34PM (#33957536)
> epub; BookFusion. No mac app but the web reader might work for you. Sync reading position and notes between devices. I just read a lot of books and it works great for that. It even has a cablbre plugin used to upload books to it.

Thank you for the recommendation! Having to sign in is even less appealing to me than being forced to maintain a library, but it's good to have the option.

Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by Maxburn on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:44PM (#33947289)
I just don't have a mac, that's really the only issue here. I went out of my way years ago to try and wrap my head around itunes, all the (too many) things it does etc. They mess that up a bit with updates (not as bad as windows) but it isn't terrible once you realize it's a whole bunch of apps rolled up into one. It doesn't do any of them really great but it's just a gateway to my devices so it isn't horrible.
Re:Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11 by accrual on Sunday December 11, 2022 @03:29PM (#33947135)
> no processes that it forces you to run so that it can spy on your mics

Is this hyperbole or a real thing that happened?