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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by faeriechangling on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @09:16PM (#33889937)
I’ve absolutely met people especially with limited language skills who get confused and frustrated by all these complicated concepts they’re expected to understand to simply not be accused of being hateful.

Not to be too Orwellian, but I’ve often wondered why nobody say, talks about removing gendered pronouns altogether in formal speech instead of adding 50 new ones for instance. People seem to only talk about adding new words and concepts.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by robotresearcher on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @01:47AM (#33891421)
> I’ve often wondered why nobody say, talks about removing gendered pronouns altogether in formal speech instead of adding 50 new ones for instance.

'They' instead of 'he/she' is one of the things people actually use, and it's exactly dropping the gendered pronoun in favor of an existing neutral pronoun. It's strictly simpler and smaller language. My teenage kids use this construction a lot and I'm getting used to it.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by int_19h on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @04:14AM (#33892293)
It is, but some people specifically insist on "he" and "she" and will get offended if you use "they". In one such case, when I asked why "they" is inappropriate since it is by definition inclusive of all genders, the question itself was declared highly offensive and "erasing".
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by Jochim on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @06:20AM (#33893117)
I think there are multiple layers behind why someone might find "they" inappropriate. I don't think they're necessarily all valid but I think they're understandable.

1) Gender is currently a political topic. The use of gender neutral pronouns is, rightly or wrongly, associated with holding certain political beliefs. People who do not hold these beliefs are likely to reject their use on that basis.

2) Gender is a matter of personal identity. A fairly common desire for people is to be "good" at the gender they identify as. A fundamental part of that is being recognised by others as that gender. Gender neutral pronouns refuse to provide that acknowledgement.

3) They can be unfamiliar. Ultimately pronouns are something that, until recently, most people never actively thought about. Some people will reactively reject them as it puts into question their understanding of the world.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by LawTalkingGuy on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:06AM (#33918864)
If some people can insist on 'they' why would it be weird that some people would insist on 'he'? That word is their identity.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by andelink on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @07:14AM (#33893453)
This floors me. Can I ask the context in which this person was offended by the use of “they?” Was it a work setting? Tell me more about this person
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by int_19h on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @04:31PM (#33900565)
It was a conversation in a private setting with several participants, some of whom were trans. It started as a broad conversation about which pronouns should be properly used when. When we got to "they", one of the participants brought up a common pattern whereby people will use "he" or "she" consistently to refer to cis people whose gender they know, but "they" when they need to refer to trans people (with known more specific pronouns) in the context where they can't get away with misgendering. We all agreed that this is rude, but then I asked whether it would be problematic if the person used "they" consistently, without discriminating. That's when it blew up.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by shredprez on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @09:36PM (#33890028)
Yep, turns out people of all sorts can be assholes, even to folks who are making a good faith effort to navigate a changing world.

That said, I think your Orwellian concerns might reflect your personal media consumption more than the state of our changing world. People do talk about removing gendered pronouns (see: nonbinary people), and the vast majority of transgender people are attempting to assimilate into the existing man/woman gender model rather than pushing a complex system of new words and concepts. As I'm sure you're aware, both of those approaches have proven controversial and generated quite a bit of backlash, sometimes violently so.

Not everyone is cut out for a world filled with people who don't think like them. Unfortunately that's the world we live in, so we all get to figure out what to do about it.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by l3uwin on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @12:59AM (#33891121)
nonbinary people have been begging peiple to use non-gendered language.

the singular they, 'my friend', y'all, fam etc... are all wonderful substitutes for a gendered pronoun.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by LawTalkingGuy on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:13AM (#33918906)
That makes no sense. An enby is saying they don't have gender, not that gender doesn't exist. In fact, if you don't use gender words for everyone else you're sort of throwing shade at them.

That sounds like a liberal feminist from ~20 years ago, trying to remove words that they think are used to oppress people. Like the people who invented Latinx.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by layer8 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @11:13PM (#33890545)
Humans favor adding over subtracting in problem solving: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26727878